Priests and LA Ermor

[Sombre]

Lord_Bob said:
What's odd is I see much ruder behavior daily. WHO you are must effect WHAT is rude.

There is a general consensus on this forum that you're an odious little troll. So as for ruder behaviour,.. well I can't think of anyone else so unpopular on these forums. Regardless, I don't really mind trolls. What I feel compelled to mock is the way you act like whatever you're ranting about is SUPER DUPER CEREAL. It kills me it really does.

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K, The First King is H5 to start. (woot! )

Prophetize him, and he's H6. Sword of Injustice, H7. Crystal Shield, H8 in battle. Then Ekishnugal casts Hell Power, and he's H10.

Lord_Bob, I didn't know the discussion was about Marignon and Ermor. Marginon's H3 Inquisitors should really lay some smack down on the undead hordes. And making one H5 by prophetising & Crystal Shield is a good plan. Trade someone for a few Crystal Matrix too (also only Const4), or take a god with earth and astral to make them yourself, and 4 cheap S1 Chartmakers turn your H3s into H5s and your H5 Prophet into H7.

Banishment at H3 is:
Area 8, Damage 11AN, Penetration+1

Banishment at H5 is:
Area 12, Damage 17AN, Penetration+2

Banishment at H7 is:
Area 16, Damage 23AN, Penetration+3

If you don't like that idea, there's also Inner Sun: 1 in 4 Goetic Masters can cast this. It's Alt3, 1 gem, cast it any time before the battle. Script 5 spells then attack closest, and when he gets poked, he explodes for 15AN damage (MR) with area 35. You want to give the undead time to get rid of their javelins so they are nice and close when you set them up the bomb. You could even try a Blink as your final spell, but YMMV with that. Kind of expensive though. Since you didn't like trading 190 gold for 300 undead, you probably won't like this. If you have indies like a 90 gold Magus it would be better.

Or, Conj-6 will get Marignon some Harbringers. Its ranged attack is Area 5, 15AP damage versus undead, 15 shots.

[Edi]

Sombre said:
I think LORD BOB MIGHT HAVE A POINT but he behaves like SUCH A TOOL no-one is going to LISTEN TO HIM!!111!!11!

Think about how MANY UNDEAD LA Ermor might have by TURN 45 it MIGHT be like 10k or so THAT'S OVER 9000!!!11!!1!!11!11!!eleven

Sombre said:

There is a general consensus on this forum that you're an odious little troll. So as for ruder behaviour,.. well I can't think of anyone else so unpopular on these forums. Regardless, I don't really mind trolls. What I feel compelled to mock is the way you act like whatever you're ranting about is SUPER DUPER CEREAL. It kills me it really does.

Sombre, you're seriously out of line with both of those quoted posts, so pipe down unless you like being oppressed. I have no qualms dishing that out all around if this thread goes down the tubes and comments like those are a sure way to put it there. The quoted posts there are nothing BUT flamebait and we have rules against that sort of thing. Don't do it again. This is a formal warning.


Lord_Bob, one of the previous comments about honey being a better attractant than vinegar is spot on, so could you please adopt a more civil tone? You have a style of posting that seems to aggravate many users and a way of declaring opinions as facts, which further alienates some people. So a bit calmer, please?

I would also ask that if you think something is bugged, post about it in the bug discussion thread and we can hash that out. If new issues crop up or issues which cause compound problems, I will not know about them beforehand, but there were several statements by you about bugs in this thread that aren't as clearcut as you may think.

Finally,

Lord_Bob said:
This statement indicates you are another ra-ra Dominions player. A mage killing 3 undead per turn is not great. It is pathetic. It is so pathetic that there are no words to describe it's patheticness.

This again falls into the out of line category of posting. Especially since this particular insult to VedalkenBear was completely unprovoked, he was trying to help you. So kindly tone it down.

If this thread doesn't start cleaning up and calming down on it's own, I'm going to shut it down and if it comes down to that, the people dishing out any follow-up oppression will have user names in white letters.

[VedalkenBear]

Bob, you asked for pre-7 Research that could affect Undead. I found, in about 5 minutes consulting the rulebook, any number of spells and/or items that can help to even the fight. I then reported it. Did I say that these would instantly win the fight for you? No. I was answering your question. A question, I might point out, that with a little bit of researching you could have answered yourself. Since 'LE Ermor is so powerful' is a common complaint of newer players, I (perhaps incorrectly) assumed that you did not know of common counters to them.

Now, if we're talking about Marignon? You have good priests. And, to be honest, if I knew that Ermor was in a LE game, I'd probably make Inquisitors my researchers, and so I should have ~20 by turn 25 (and those are level 2 priests, not 1). Will it slow down my research? Possibly. OTOH, they're very low upkeep, and their research isn't bad with a good Magic scale (which will help when fighting Ermor in your own Dominion).

IIRC, LE Marignon still gets Holy Pyre, which gives your Goetic Masters something to throw in combat (and they'll last longer with Phoenix Power). Okay, scratch that. Unless the rulebook is incorrect, it's only ME Marignon that gets it. Still, there are rather common Fire evocations they can throw. If you're trying to do fast Blood magic, they can throw Hellfire.

As for a new player? I don't think you want to sling that around without some proof. The fact that I don't have problems with LE Ermor whereas you apparently do would seem to be counterindicative that you are more experienced than I.

[Sombre]

Edi: If you think the posts will incite further trouble wouldn't it make sense to delete them?

I don't have a problem with that.

[Edi]

Sombre said:
Edi: If you think the posts will incite further trouble wouldn't it make sense to delete them?

I don't have a problem with that.

Deleting them is not going to make the things in them unsaid, so it's a completely moot point. I'd rather that the thread stay intact on that score if and when it gets reviewed from higher up.

Whether or not you have a problem with how this is resolved is utterly irrelevant to me, since if I'm going to do something about things, I'm NOT going to consult you about it. The only consulting I will be doing will be with the other moderators. So please do not try to tell me how to do my job as a moderator. With your participation in this thread so far, that's not a good idea.

[Torin]

Maybe you should not underestimate the undead.
bring several (a LOT of) priests (lvl 1 is ok)
Frontline infantry (or any tough guys like vine ogres)
Archers (they often kill more undead than the priests)

if you dont deal with ermor quick you should get an ally or you could be overwelmed.

if you are, try a mass damage spell like wrathful skyes or earthquake.
Blade wind is optimal. most of the undeads are unarmed souless reanimated by priests and not the legionaries guys.

i didnt try but maybe stuff like swarm may work.

[Sombre]

Edi said:
Whether or not you have a problem with how this is resolved is utterly irrelevant to me, since if I'm going to do something about things, I'm NOT going to consult you about it. The only consulting I will be doing will be with the other moderators. So please do not try to tell me how to do my job as a moderator. With your participation in this thread so far, that's not a good idea.

As far as I was concerned I was only asking you a question. But if you want to read that as me telling you how to do your job, you have my full permission

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Lord_Bob you were banned once before in part for trolling. The next ban will be for one week and is the last step before a permanent ban. I hope I have made myself clear and will not have to revisit this thread or any other containing similar attitude and insults from you again. If you reread your posts and can't see what you are doing wrong or the attitude in which everyone is complaining about, then maybe you don't have enough self awareness to be on internet message boards. I am a pretty tolerant person but there are limits.

[Lord_Bob]

People are generally responding to your rudeness rather than generating it from nothing. But at the same time they are trying to be helpful. It's not like you do your maladjusted antisocial spiel and people respond with a #@%! off.

Of course you could argue that people who respond rudely are no better than the person who starts it, but I don't necessarily believe that. Regardless, you know how the saying goes; You can typically attract more flies with honey than vinegar.

Blah, blah, blah. In the last thread I was continously bad-mouthed. Unfortunately, I am better at dealing with bad-mouthing than they are at bad-mouthing. So they've stopped that. This is just you arriving at the "answer" you were going to reach no matter what. One of two things would happen:
A.The bullies, that have stopped all debate on these things, would be endlessly rude to me, and I would be polite. You would observe that I was being such a silly-little boy, and so wrong. Bully-boy has made so many, wrong, but oh-so-tough statements.
B.I would argue back. This would make me "rude", and you could condemn me for that.

I love these Post-Western arguments. We always know the answer, even before we've figured out how we are going to get it.

So, somehow, all real debate has stopped. Why is that?

It's because you have all the tools needed for the job.