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Drone and counter-drone systems would require work (i.e. coding) to implement "properly".
Right now drones are just a variant of Observation Aircraft and any counter-drone systems would be, by necessity (i.e. the game code) Anti-Aircraft weapons.
I'm sure you can all see the potential problems that arise.
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January 22nd, 2024, 09:29 PM
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I absolutely do see the issues here. And you're right those defensive systems should act as normal AA/SAM systems.
The following are doing so in the RL concerning smaller drones etc. like Iron Dome, GEPHART and PANTSIR-S1/S2 are taking them out very effectively along with other systems in the real world.
Will those systems do so in the game, is something I have no knowledge of in my AI battle world.
Much more armor has been taken out by precision munitions i.e. BONUS, EXCALIBUR and more with the use of observers, drones and helos lazing the targets or relaying the coordinates.
My view quite honestly at this point in time with self-defense systems already out there a many more to come soon, is that it's about a "wash" much like air superiority is over the Ukraine at this time.
Russia like Germany during the Battle of Britain lost their opportunity by waiting too long to act and by changed tactics.
Read a book on the topic and you'd fully come to appreciate how close Germany came to defeating Britain in the air. Same can be said of the Russians before all that Western air defense systems arrived in country.
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January 23rd, 2024, 02:51 AM
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The following are doing so in the RL concerning smaller drones etc. like Iron Dome, GEPHART and PANTSIR-S1/S2 are taking them out very effectively along with other systems in the real world.
Will those systems do so in the game, is something I have no knowledge of in my AI battle world.
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At least Andy was able to jiggle the code so Area SAMs (i.e. "Surface to Air Missile" Weapon Class 12) do not fire on drones. So we don't see a $6-10,000,000 Patriot missiles wasted on a $2,000 micro-drones.
YAY ANDY!
But any/everything else, including a squads rifles, will shoot at them. The same way you can shoot down a helo with a tanks main gun if it sits still long enough (best way to deal with the infamous MI-24 Hind).
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January 27th, 2024, 12:29 PM
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Russia creates MiS-35 hexacopter drone that comes back when communication is lost
https://armyrecognition.com/defense_...n_is_lost.html
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January 27th, 2024, 07:57 PM
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I expect to see SEAD systems on larger/more expensive drones.
"Jam me and get a little something for your trouble."
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January 28th, 2024, 10:07 AM
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If it can be mounted on a drone, it will be.
If a larger drone is needed to carry the weapon, it will be built.
That is the new reality of the battlefield
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January 28th, 2024, 09:15 PM
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Well based on the last two posts I'd say what I just found out is very timely indeed.
It's only just been tested so it's not on the battlefield yet but, I have no doubt we'll find out soon enough when it does appear.
For now, the score appears to be Russia 1 Everyone Else 0.
https://www.armyrecognition.com/defe...ight_mode.html
And it appears while we're " stepping down" due to political posturing in the " House" the EU as a whole is " stepping up" where several countries are increasing their supply of weapons by any means possible. The below is just one example of this. If you haven't been keeping up with the news I (My "boat".) participated in what is still considered the largest NATO Naval Exercise to date.
https://www.armyrecognition.com/defe...ense_deal.html
NATO however just started the largest Combined Arms exercise since the Cold War.
Germany has accessed in their long-term planning for the Ukrainian War; that WWIII (Non-Nuclear) could occur in 2025.
You don't even want to know where the " Dooms Day" clock is at.
We are living in an interesting time.
ADD ON AFTER I JUST LEFT:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...85c84bc2c&ei=3
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Look around at what has been happening politically and socially in the "west" in the last half-decade for the answer
If an old adversary looks weak and foolish expect someone to try and exploit that
You will recall the hearings into Harvard etc etc handled the Hamas supporters
Consider how the Russians are handling eduction
https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world...17381f15&ei=24
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"In particular, the Russian military, who will soon complete their retraining as teachers under the program of the Russian Ministry of Education, will become teachers of history, physical education, and life safety. Separately, they will conduct activities as part of initial military training," the Center said.
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INDEED "interesting times"
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UAV related.
US Ground drones/robots in development.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WhaawIbfqYE
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I thought that video was real good until that integrated jewellery advertisement, so I couldn't watch the whole thing, sorry. I just hope my computer doesn't catch a virus from the thing. It should be OK though, it's just the "sh*t hits than fan" when I see commercialism nowadays, there's so much of it wherever you look.
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