lab vault upgraded?

[Pocus]

Originally posted by Wendigo:

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Originally posted by Pocus:
Lastly, do we have a tool which can tell us where our items are on our leaders? A search box, or a table listing items possessed on all leaders? try to find your staff of storm in a big game, you will understand the problem...

This is one of the things that you could alleviate up to a point with the renaming feature:

My SoS bearer is often called Stormbringer for example, George used to rename his communion slaves to reflect their task, I sometimes rename support mages (etherealizers...) & commanders that require script with numerals (bad for RP, but sometimes the MM & confussion from duplicated names is too daunting...it even gets to a point that sometimes I do not care about giving info to my opponents if it makes my gaming more pleasant (they see the leading guy name in their province reports obviously).

Pls keep renaming (or at the least tags) in the game. [/QB]

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This would not solve the problem of having to search who got your air ship. Is it a firbolg in the north for a raid, or you wyrm moving to the south? You will end searching amongst some dozen provinces which of your leader got the item.

Sure if your game is small, you wont even have the problem. But for the rest?

[MStavros]

Originally posted by Jasper:

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Originally posted by MStavros:
Well than add this at least?
Still the previous idea is lot better, IE a search option in game.
So you don't wanna add that search feature, because you are lazy?

You're insulting the _lone_ developer, who almost certainly already has way more to do than he has time for. It's one thing to talk about possible extensions and changes, it's quite another to demand _your_ ideas be implemented.

Why not relax a bit, and give these guys a break?

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Dude, I tell you what. IMHO waiting for an addon with a decent ingame feature -like the search- is lot better, than to have some simple .txt file with the datas.
Just my 2 cents.

Pocus is right again, the devs are ignoring lot of questions, just check out the threads. They are reading all Posts, but they are ignoring some important questions. That is the fact. I know that they are worked a lot on the game, but still this is kinda annoying if you ask me.
These ideas are good, in fact very good. Don't tell me that an in-game search is bad, because its ridicolous. I think that they don't wanna code it....OR as Pocus said:


""remember the thread about army destruction spells? Reread it, you will see that :
1 - nearly all (or is it all) fans expressed their view that they were somehow too potents/convenients.
2- no devs made a remark. Why? because they disagreed and they felt it was like this and not in any other way.""


..maybe they don't like the idea. I think the fans opinion is lot more important.

Pocus we have the same ideas, the only difference is that I am saying what I really want to.

[ October 23, 2003, 12:00: Message edited by: MStavros ]

[Wendigo]

Originally posted by Pocus:
I hope you saw in my post that I was not asking the devs that they ought to....
[/QB]

Not particularly talking about you, I had just read a few threads with escalating demands ( demands of the 'insist until you get an answer' type + 'keep insisting afterwards because you do not like the answer you got).

is it possible that they, sometime, code a feature because we the fans perceive it as important, or is it a definitive no? I dont remember that they ever changed their mind on a feature they didnt liked initialy. Feel free to refresh my mind if I miss something.
[/QB]

None of us can say for sure without confirmation from the devs, but I'd say that Storms, Supercombatants & the GUI have been tweaked with because of fan feedback.

[Mortifer]

Originally posted by MStavros:

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Originally posted by Jasper:

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Originally posted by MStavros:
Well than add this at least?
Still the previous idea is lot better, IE a search option in game.
So you don't wanna add that search feature, because you are lazy?

You're insulting the _lone_ developer, who almost certainly already has way more to do than he has time for. It's one thing to talk about possible extensions and changes, it's quite another to demand _your_ ideas be implemented.

Why not relax a bit, and give these guys a break?

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Dude, I tell you what. IMHO waiting for an addon with a decent ingame feature -like the search- is lot better, than to have some simple .txt file with the datas.
Just my 2 cents.

Pocus is right again, the devs are ignoring lot of questions, just check out the threads. They are reading all Posts, but they are ignoring some important questions. That is the fact. I know that they are worked a lot on the game, but still this is kinda annoying if you ask me.
These ideas are good, in fact very good. Don't tell me that an in-game search is bad, because its ridicolous. I think that they don't wanna code it....OR as Pocus said:


""remember the thread about army destruction spells? Reread it, you will see that :
1 - nearly all (or is it all) fans expressed their view that they were somehow too potents/convenients.
2- no devs made a remark. Why? because they disagreed and they felt it was like this and not in any other way.""


..maybe they don't like the idea. I think the fans opinion is lot more important.

Pocus we have the same ideas, the only difference is that I am saying what I really want to.

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Well this was a little offensive, don't you think?
You have some points, but you forgot about one word: respect.
Respect IW and respect shrapnel, they did a decent job with the game.
Try to be patient, they will surely answer to all your questions.
They have the right to don't like something. I am pretty sure, that if many fans want a feature like this, they will try their best, and implent it.
Don't forget, lot of people wanted the mod tools, and IW already working on it.

Man I tell you that other devs cant be bothered by anything at all!
IW is a real jewel on the game devs list, they are always listeting to their fans.
I only know one cool game dev. company, they are like IW, they are interacting with their fans, and listeting to them: Timegate [makers of Kohan]

Final words: Be patient, and trust in the IW devs, if many of us want something, they will surely try to implent it.

[johan osterman]

We've been through this before

1. No one currently gets paid for the work they do on dominions, people here have a life besides illwinter, people here have to make a living of other sources then illwinter. There is only one person that does allmost all of the coding. He cannot add every singel feature you want, he cannot even realistically add 10% of all the features you want, he couldnt he if could devout all his time to coding dom 2, he cannot devout 100% of his time to dom 2 coding. Ergo less then 10% of the requests you make can realistically be implemented.

2. Pocus, you say that you cannot recall a single instance where illwinter has come around and implemented fan requested features they initially didn't like. Fist of all it is not true, no one here is interested in modding, copying scripts has been added, teloportability of immobiles removed and many many more. There are perhaps fan requested ideas that have and will not ever be implemented, but implementing ideas just because they are popular is a crappy idea, they have to have some other merit as well, and this merit has to be judged by illwinter whether you like it or not, and its merit weighed against the effort to implement it and in game factors. A feature that is fun to add is of course more likely to be implemented since that is much less of a chore. If illwinter designed games by polling dom 2 would be a Sims like game where brightly dressed elves shot each other with multicolored rays of love. Dominions couldnt have been made if it wasnt made the way it is, if JK and Kristoffer didn't enjoy doing dominions it wouldn't have been made at all. Perhaps this leads to the exclusion of some features you desire, but unless dom 2 makes a big impact in illwinters coffers and a slave coder can be hired it is likely to remain this way. And it can't be all bad since this design process has lead to the game you say like more than any other for 20 years.

3. In general if you want to have a feature added, ask politely. People at illwinter are human and insults and outright demands doesn't improve your chances of having a request implemented. This goes for questions as well, if you wish to get an answer, be polite.

[Nagot Gick Fel]

Originally posted by Wendigo:
None of us can say for sure without confirmation from the devs, but I'd say that Storms, Supercombatants & the GUI have been tweaked with because of fan feedback.

And remember in Doms I the cost of the Sphinx was upped to 100 gp for the same reason, while the devs argued it was fairly priced for a long time.

[st.patrik]

Originally posted by Pocus:
...and again we bump against the style of play that the IW team practice, small to medium games, versus large games (or medium games with a long duration, often the case in pbem) that fans prefers.

just for the record, I really prefer small games to large ones. To my mind it just becomes a logistical nightmare when you have a ton of commanders who you are trying to get all equipped, etc. So for me, small is good.

Having said all that, I can see how especially for larger games some kind of help in record-keeping would be nice.

[st.patrik]

Originally posted by johan osterman:
If illwinter designed games by polling dom 2 would be a Sims like game where brightly dressed elves shot each other with multicolored rays of love.

Now this is truly funny!

[licker]

Originally posted by johan osterman:
If illwinter designed games by polling dom 2 would be a Sims like game where brightly dressed elves shot each other with multicolored rays of love.

Hell yah, I'd buy that game in a heart beat, come on IW give the fans what they really WANT!!!

Some things just make waaaaay too much sense not to do... at least give us a brightly dressed elven pretender who spontaneously shoots beams of multicolored love rays! Oh and name him Nerfix or something

[st.patrik]

Originally posted by licker:
at least give us a brightly dressed elven pretender who spontaneously shoots beams of multicolored love rays! Oh and name him Nerfix or something

That is a truly evil suggestion

...but I swear I'd have him as my pretender every time!