Could u stop Gorgon?

[Xietor]

true that. I typically play Dom III with real life friends, though that does limit your exposure to new strategies.

How about the gorgon wearing the aegis, do potential killers have to pass a double petrification check before getting to attack?

To the question posed above, the original question is how you can kill a gorgon. And there have been some good suggestions.
That i like playing the gorgon is obvious. And I disagree that a titan is better or cheaper. Look at the titans available to MA Pangaea, and tell me which is better?

Petrification is available from the outset, not at const 8. poison resistance is the best resistance to have.

flying is also a must. Which titans fly? Which titans heal their own afflictions? Which ones have fear plus 5?

It is all a matter of preference. I laugh at the manual's suggestion of using an awake alchemist for Ulm. That is all well and good if you enjoy having a pretender whose main function is to hunt for gem sites. I personally do not enjoy playing that style. I like a pretender that can fight. And I like one that can fly to get to fights in a hurry. And there are items that can reduce an enemy's chance to resist petrification. And taking a magic scale also makes enemies less likely to resist petrification, as well as helping those expensive pans along with their research.

I also am a firm believer in having all your slots for items. the bull may have more hps, but he has 2 slots. End game if he goes trampling into high end troops and a row of mages, he is toast. The gorgon, with items, is a great caster. And there is no comparison between trample and petrification. One exhausts your pretender, one can kill 30 enemies and you take no fatigue.

[Wish]

i don't think thats how it works. as petrification shows up in the abilitys section (along with stealth and etc.) so once you have petrify, you have petrify.

Caelum has a bunch of flying titans. (and its real easy to get someone flying, with 3 magic items and 1 artifact that do so) not many heal their own afflictions though.

no one is arguing that petrification isn't a devastatingly powerful weapon. this is certainly true. perhaps the most powerful trait in the game, even ahead of blood vengeance. (I wish there was a unique creature with it for modding purposes, but alas.)

I agree an alchemist is a bad choice, but thats because I think the great sage is the only human pretender worth taking.

one SC bound to her own dominion is not going to win the game against someone who knows how to utilize the anti-sc aspects of the game.

[TirAsleen]

hehe and i like to kill SC's easy enough actually. rather have a powerful mage and site researcher, numbers can win in this game quite easily, just for the gorgon we make an exception and send some tough high res units.

btw, i think manticore or dragons alone can easy kill the gorgon as they fly too, with good res and are physically stronger. and there are other strong humanoid flyers as pretenders. for 1vs1 she isn't a good choice, whats left if their petrification doesn't work?

[Xietor]

What is left if petrification fails?

Her items, 7 of them, giving luck, etc. which the dragon will not have. her lightning helm. ember, regen/revig boots, astral shield. What 2 items will your dragon have?

And his breath attack will be useless, as the gorgon will be immune to poison, fire, and ice.

[TirAsleen]

check strenght of dragons and as a flyer he can reach you before having those items too.alteration let him cast enough buffs and he has not to worry you come close to him with these hp. recuperation is only really worth on high hp pretenders and units. does not matter much when you die in 2 hits, eh? btw, we can have a game with my other 2 friends any time if you wish, if you have time you can join there. while i think her petrification is kinda unbalanced vs most troops and especially indies, she is really toast against any physically strong high res unit, white/black bull, kraken alone high hp with powerful attacks and recuperation. and they can kill indies too without petrification and a lot of armies ,but thing is, they can kill that gorgon in some few seconds, except she is in her own dominion and manages to fly away. its not all that impressive. and strats based on forging weapons are not impressive either, in middle/late game you can a lot of other things too. like 6000 undead coming for you with summons to waste your dust to dust spells.

i was impressed by gorgon too and thought she is maybe best SC and horribly unbalanced and i wanted to ban her....until i saw whats happen if something big comes at her. so in a SC contest she is rather at a disadvantage with those hps.

[Graeme Dice]

How is a dragon going to hurt a pretender with mistform or etherealness? Dragons are thugs for expansion, and are not a particularly well suited chassis for killing SCs. A white or black bull will have absolutely no effect on a Gorgon, since they'll just attempt to trample her, and probably do about two or three damage per turn. Any unit with multiple attacks such as the Kraken is essentially asking to be killed by petrification, especially when you can't get their MR above 22 outside of their dominion. The ancient kraken also doesn't have a magical weapon, and doesn't have a particularly impressive attack score, so he'll have trouble hitting and damaging a mistformed or ethereal gorgon.

[Xietor]

Umm no, your dragon cannot reach my gorgon before she has 7 construction 4 items. I sleep her for the extra 150 points, and you can make 7 really good items with 4 const researched and nature games. The 1st thing i research is constr 4.

And while the dragon is mighty naked, I would not think flying him into enemy dominion and letting 20 minotaurs beat on him is a good idea. Minotaurs do some hefty damage to pretenders, and their attack is decent when berserk, and their damage is very good, maybe even excellent.

Against a pretender early in the game, id likely give her an sword sharpness, an eye shield, black steel plate, horned helmet, birch boots, ring of regeneration, amulet of resilience or bear claw. If i had dagan prior to the fight i would make a luck pendant to go with the ring of regeneration. I get dagan early about 60 percent of my games.

[TirAsleen]

well, as said we can play and dragon was just a thought, with some buffs he can kill her anti magic amulet seems required to battle gorgon in her dominion. ghost king with his ghosts can kill gorgon too. i made some test, both had mirror image, mistform, ethereal, and so on. mistform and mirror image also protects well from dust to dust. so speaking about this magic just means that is strong not necessarly your gorgon, not when magic res is high enough. there is the anti magic spell for that and item. and you can provide friendly dominion too. and if gorgon is so mighty and ubber it needs a heavy nerf? why do we have nerfed VQ and stillt hat gorgon around then? this makes no sense then.

[Graeme Dice]

TirAsleen said:
well, as said we can play and dragon was just a thought, with some buffs he can kill her anti magic amulet seems required to battle gorgon in her dominion.

An antimagic amulet is essentially required for any SC in any battle if you want them to survive for the long term. Whether your pretender is outside of your dominion or not has little bearing on that.

mistform and mirror image also protects well from dust to dust.

Neither mistform nor mirror image have any effect whatsoever on dust to dust. Mistform could only possibly have an effect on a spell that causes mundane damage, while mirror image would only have any effect on spells that fire projectiles and do not cause area of effect effects.

and if gorgon is so mighty and ubber it needs a heavy nerf?

Where on earth are you getting this idea from? I'm simply pointing out that the supposed counter of a monstrous pretender is one of the worst possible choices.

Could you please use proper capitalization and punctuation to make your posts less difficult to read?

[TirAsleen]

graeme dice, i do not take you any serious with your righteous behaviour, its from my expierence a very childish way to communicate. besides you post wrong things here.

mirror image and mistform does protect against dust to dust spell i tested it today.

pls do you research before posting, its possible you might be wrong, even if you do not think so. thank you.