Danish TO & E

[Palle]

Our Colt Canada C8IUR rifle is not, as first assumed from its time of purchase, named M08, but M/10, though it was officially used in DANCON ISAF from 2009 and I have seen vids of it in use in DANCON ISAF since 2008.

[Palle]

Oh you already gave them a 10, well... they did do quite well in Musa Quala. But 10 is almost Foreign Legion and equal to Marines... though come to think of it the Marines I have spoken to all have great respect for their Danish Allies. That would warrant a 5 for the rest of DANCON then. But I would say that it should probably rather be 5 and 3 or something like that. The Danish training is very different from Boot Camp, and though physical fitness and toughness are important our training focuses more on individual initiative and education so to speak. All the times I have been part of the Danish military we prided ourselves that our most important "weapon" was our heads and our ability to think for ourselves when the situation called for it.

More tomorrow.

[DRG]

I found this when I loaded up my list and dealt with it but felt the need to comment so we don't go through this again......

Originally Posted by Palle

-The m95 Rifle is being phased out and exchanged with the better m08, beginning with parts of the DANCON in 2008. Then more and more. I think I saw on the Army's # at Youtube that even more will get it next year.

The "m95" already gets the highest rating for an infantry rifle and I am not adding a duplicate with another name then building a whole new set of infantry units to carry it. What it may be renamed to is simply "5.56 Rifle" because the micro detail naming of rifles etc that a lot of people would like is really getting old. A rifle is a rifle is a rifle unless it has optics then it gets that rating and all those with the optics rating ( acc=6 ) do the same job no matter what they are named and we already have over 35,000 units in this game to keep track of

Originally Posted by Palle

-Danish snipers use the Sako TRG-42 .338 Lapua Magnum, the Jægers use the H&K MSG90, Sako TRG-42 .338 Lapua Magnum or the AW50 as they please.

The existing Heavy sniper rifle already has the highest hvy sniper rifle rating and one is good enough..see above

Originally Posted by Palle

-Some Danish Engineers have m82 Anti Material Rifles for detonating Mines.

and the game code still needs to be fixed to make that work and when it does it will still only be snipers classed units who can do this so next release buy a heavy sniper for your engineers

Originally Posted by Palle

-The CV9035 IKK is an IFV (IKK = IFV), I see it only as a support unit in game while the mentioned Life Guard unit and apparently their equivalent in the Guards Hussars (the guys in Armadillo drive them), uses them as APCs..

REALLY ?? You don't see formations 206, 207 and 208 that use that vehicle as a APC/IFV ?? Or perhaps the "problem" here is you hung up on the unit class name being "support" It's named "support APC" because we cannot name all APC/IFV classes simply "APC" or "IFV" and , "light support" , is just a name as well. That's an APC/IFV clone class and that's what it's being used for with those formations so your assumption it's not being used is incorrect. We could have used the "Hvy APC" class for that unit but it's irrelevant.. they both do the same job in the game


Don

[Palle]

I also discovered that our LSV M04 LSW is being exchanged for the Minimi instead. Though the most popular LMG with the troops are still the good old workhorse MG62. Basically the LSW is useless as support weapon.

For anybody with an interest in DANCON ISAF, here is the OoB of the Combat Command:

• Commander (Colonel) and SiC/CoS (Lietenant-Colonel)
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• Staff and Logistics Company with lorries, MRAP Cougars, Piranhas,[/color] etc.. As well as medical personnel in ambulances, mechanics, workshop etc. [COLOR="rgb(139, 0, 0)"]Only the vehicles would figure in game, likely as APCs + ammo truck or carrier.[/color]
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• Fire Support Element; basically Forward Observers. Including Raven UAVs since 2008.[/color]
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• One M/10 120mm mortar from June 2010.[/color]
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• Engineer Detachment "IGDET", probably 3 groups[/color] One combat, one construction, one mixed. Though they can all solve all tasks, the group operating from the Patrol Base Line, leading patrols and sweeping for IEDs has little to do but fight. The Engineers also has two mineploughs and some Minerollers down there.
• Electronic Surveillance and recon unit that basically listens in on enemy mobile phones, etc.. From what I have seen and heard, they are VERY competent, but they can hardly figure in the game.
• Signals Unit.
• Training unit for ANA and ANP.
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• Armoured Infantry Company employing CV90 IKK (CV9035)
• Mechanised Infantry Company in M113 APCs or Piranha IIIs.
• Leopard Squad with 3 Leo 2AF active and one in reserve if one breaks down.[/color]
• Military Police, I have been unable to track down how many (they seem to have little to do), but my guess would be two to three groups.
• Civilian-Military coorperation unit.
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• Occasionally an unknown number of Jæger Patrols.[/color]
  
• A Home Guard Platoon guarding the camp June - August to free up combat personnel during summer leave.
• Various undisclosed specialists.

Under the command of the Danish Battalion is also a company of Gurkha rifles and ... I forgot the other British company.


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The Logistics Company operating from Camp Bastion also has 40 MRAP 6x6 Cougars that we have rented from the US and equipped with IR and a 12.7 mg. The first 20 arrived March 2011.

The LOPKESKs operates out of Camp Bastion as well and as far as I can determine, they take turns to be deployed.

From August 2009, the GD G270CDI has been exchanged for the AM General HMMWV M1045A2 Recon, known to Danes as the Jûlkat, in the Danish LOPESKs. Who has now upgraded to 8 man groups with 4 men in each Jûlkat.


The MLRS M270 has been phased out in 2008.

Danish ISAF troops are exchanged in Feb and July every year.

Let Opklaringseskadron is in fact abbrieved LOPKESK, not as I initially stated, LOPESK.

We may have had no 120 mm mortars for some years until it was decided to buy and deploy the 120mm M/10 TMT.


More to follow as I dig it out.

[Palle]

The coulour scheme did not work very well, did it?

Between 50 and 80% of Danish troops in Afghanistan are veterans of at least one tour already.

[Palle]

The "m95" already gets the highest rating for an infantry rifle and I am not adding a duplicate with another name then building a whole new set of infantry units to carry it. What it may be renamed to is simply "5.56 Rifle" because the micro detail naming of rifles etc that a lot of people would like is really getting old. A rifle is a rifle is a rifle unless it has optics then it gets that rating and all those with the optics rating ( acc=6 ) do the same job no matter what they are named and we already have over 35,000 units in this game to keep track of

Fair enough, and it does sound like a good idea to just rename them "NATO 5.55 Rifle" or something along those lines for all the NATO nations that does not use their own version (SA-80, FAMAS, G-36, ETC).




The existing Heavy sniper rifle already has the highest hvy sniper rifle rating and one is good enough..see above

The Sako TRG-42 .338 Lapua Magnum is already in the game as far as I can determine, the Finnish 8.6mm TKIV, and if there are any AW50s in Denmark they are used by the Jægers.



and the game code still needs to be fixed to make that work and when it does it will still only be snipers classed units who can do this so next release buy a heavy sniper for your engineers


Fair enough too.



REALLY ?? You don't see formations 206, 207 and 208 that use that vehicle as a APC/IFV ?? Or perhaps the "problem" here is you hung up on the unit class name being "support" It's named "support APC" because we cannot name all APC/IFV classes simply "APC" or "IFV" and , "light support" , is just a name as well. That's an APC/IFV clone class and that's what it's being used for with those formations so your assumption it's not being used is incorrect. We could have used the "Hvy APC" class for that unit but it's irrelevant.. they both do the same job in the game


Don

[Palle]

A bit more on Danish snipers before bedtime.

In the regular Danish army the only Snipers operate in a two-man team using the SAKO TRG. They have the best NV we have and the first were ready for deployment in May 2006.

The Frogmen, Jægerkorps and SSR (Home Guard LRRP) has Snipers operating as part of their groups. Needless to say these have excellent NV also.

Some few normal rifle groups do as well, if deployed to DANCON or training for it, they too have excellent NV.

Before May that only the Jægerkorps and Frømænd had Snipers, they used the H&K MSG90 or occasionally the M82. The regular army infantry fielded no snipers (since 1988 at least, it may have been different before).

Meanwhile the Home Guard had 1-5 Snipers per Company operating alone or as part of groups (we were able to do both and were most often in Patrol Groups or SEP- the later SSR), Home Guard Snipers employed a special version of the G3 called M66, basically you could load it with your thumb; thus not making any noise, and it sometimes had a scope. We trained to 800 m. This started in 1966, what was there before I am unaware of, as I joined in 1988. And the last Sniper cause was held in Cph in 2002. Soon after, probably 2003, the Home Guard lost all snipers outside of SSR.

This does not fit the current To&E of Danish snipers, but I hope it helsp clarify things a bit. Feel free to ask if you have questions.

[Pibwl]

Unit 058 C15TA - better icon might be 2927 (BTR-40) or some other - now it has icon with turret (GM Otter?)

Michal

[DRG]

Originally Posted by Pibwl

Unit 058 C15TA - better icon might be 2927 (BTR-40) or some other - now it has icon with turret (GM Otter?)

Michal

The Otter and C15TA are quite similar and have a lot more in common than either do with the BTR-40. That said I've been meaning to do this Icon for awhile becasue we need it for both games so it will be done now that I have proper drawings to work from

Don

[Palle]

Don, I have a question.

The Hv. Infantry. Are they representing the Danish Home Guard?