WinSPMBTver3.0 Info - Page 4

Mobhack · #31 January 2nd, 2007, 05:48 PM

Apart from the last 4 rounds which will be reserved for A/T emergencies, they will be fireable as reduced value HE vs infantry.

Andy

Marek_Tucan · #32 January 2nd, 2007, 06:08 PM

Thanks, so i got it right and the schoolwork didn't manage to abduct all my neurons

Looking forward to the patch and once again, many thanks for it in advance

DRG · #33 January 2nd, 2007, 06:22 PM

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JaM said:
Maybe it has something to do with Russian markings.

I found this on Vasily Fofanov page: http://armor.kiev.ua/fofanov/

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3BK-31?
3BK-31? round
3VBK-27? (3BK-31? projectile) (in development?)
800mm RHA at 0�
680mm RHA at 0� behind external ERA
660mm RHA at 0� behind integral ERA
Unknown liner; triple charge

So maybe BK-27 is 3BK31 round (3VBK-27)

Perhaps. I have seen various things like this as well.
This one--- http://homepage.ntlworld.com/bob_mac...enetration.htm

lists info

125mm BK-29 (1988) Tandem HEAT 65cm 13

125mm BK-29M Tandem HEAT - ?

125mm BK-31 Tanden HEAT (under development 2003) � 80cm 16

I have also seen this ......
Russian 125mm BK-29 HEAT (1990) 700mm at all ranges

This page
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/row/type-85.htm

has this to say.

Quote:

The more recent BK-27 HEAT round offers a triple-shaped charge warhead and increased penetration against conventional armors and ERA. The BK-29 round, with a hard penetrator in the nose is designed for use against reactive armor, and as an MP round has fragmentation effects. If the BK-29 HEAT-MP is used, it may substitute for Frag-HE (as with NATO countries) or complement Frag-HE.

So it may look like there are BK-27's and BK-29's that do the same job different ways and it also sounds like the BK-29 predates the BK-27 ( perhaps the 27 entered development first but finished development after the BK-29? )

And like many other bits of information it's difficult to nail something down 100% unless it's equipment 25 years out of date. So, we compromise...... and when we do not everyone is happy and before I start tearing into the OOB's a bit I'm going to wait a day or so and see if someone can give me good, solid info. If not,( as is most likly ) I'll aim for being "close". It's really not a hugely serious issue anyways as it only affects tanks using ERA when fired at by tanks using the DC ammo and in all cases that Russian equipment firing at Russian equipment and that wasn't an important issue in the 1990's ALTHOUGH we do have one source now claiming the BK-27's were available as early as 1988 which , coupled with the HEAT penetration we already allow the Russian 125mm Gun 88 ( penetration 68 ) which fit's quite nicely into the penetration numbers other sources claim for this shell it might be worth making the 125mm Gun 88 the start point for this

We are also faced with one very, VERY big obstacle. The weapons list in the Russian OOB is now full and every weapon there is used. There are no extras and there is ZERO chance of the weapons data being expanded to hold more weapons without screwing up more things in the game than you can imagine so adding new weapons is out of the question. The deal now is to find the best compromise with what we have so what I am faced with is deciding which gun to start applying the DC-HEAT flag to and right now I'm leaning towards the "125mm Gun 88"

Game design is SUCH fun....

Don

Smersh · #34 January 2nd, 2007, 08:56 PM

just to get this striaght, the new opfire filtering features will only be available to CD owners, correct? I want to make sure of this before, I make my purchase

!

przy · #35 January 2nd, 2007, 10:02 PM

Sorry if this has already been answered. Is the opfire filtering feature already available for the latest version of SPWW2 for those like me who own the cd version? Thanks for any replies.

RVPERTVS · #36 January 3rd, 2007, 12:47 AM

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DRG said:
Yep, that's covered under "many other tweaks and adjustments" and if Andy told you it was fixed then it was fixed. Like I said, we don't write down every last little thing we do. Don

Thanks again Don, I fully undertand not every single bugfix wold be listed.I was just hoping 3.0 had something done in this and the AI department, specially picklists.

Regards
Robert

DRG · #37 January 3rd, 2007, 12:50 AM

The opfire routine is a bonus feature included in the WinSPMBTv3 patch for those people who own the CD version of the game. It will not be active unless you have the CD version installed

The opfire routine will be included in the next WinSPWW2 upgrade we issue as a bonus for those players who own a CD of that game

Don

przy · #38 January 3rd, 2007, 02:07 AM

Thanks for the reply, I own the CD versions of both games. So this is a nice treat.

Smersh · #39 January 3rd, 2007, 05:58 AM

the new opfire feature along with the other bonuses has pushed me over the edge. I ordered my cd version today.

JaM · #40 January 3rd, 2007, 06:34 AM

Multicharge warheads are more effective against chobham armor too.Not only against ERA. They are capable to penetrate different layers of armor more effectivelly than solid HEAT round. (but still they will not be able to penetrate front turret armor...)
About that BK-27, i think that this is just the typo (very frequent issue with russian markings in western media) as 3BK-31 is s projectile for 3VBK-27 round, as 3BK-29 is for 3VBK-25. So BK-31,(not BK-27) is newer than BK-29.