Do you like Klingons?

[Atrocities]

Believe me when I say it is modeled after a Klingon Bird of Prey.

[oleg]

Originally posted by narf poit chez BOOM:

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for a minute I thought someone sent Paramount after you again!

again?

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You mist all the fun then ! Not much fun for Atrocities it was though

Clue: search the old archives for "man of the war"

[PvK]

It appears the movies really confused Romulan and Klingon ship designs when they made the Star Trek III film. I read the original story called for a Romulan ship, but typical Hollywood pandering to the lowest denominator decided it should be Klingon. Meanwhile the design's abilities (cloaking device, powerful central torpedo, green paint job, name "Bird of Prey" - since when (before ST3) did Klingons care about birds?) remained Romulan-like. I suspect this simplification is probably responsible for a low of post-ST3 Klingon ship design.

PvK

[Renegade 13]

Originally posted by oleg:

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Originally posted by narf poit chez BOOM:

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for a minute I thought someone sent Paramount after you again!

again?

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You mist all the fun then ! Not much fun for Atrocities it was though

Clue: search the old archives for "man of the war"

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Better yet, search the old archives for member number 3174. I just spent about 2 hours looking at the old Posts and I must say that guy who caused that whole mess was not such a nice guy. (It was an interesting read though )

[Atrocities]

Originally posted by PvK:
It appears the movies really confused Romulan and Klingon ship designs when they made the Star Trek III film. I read the original story called for a Romulan ship, but typical Hollywood pandering to the lowest denominator decided it should be Klingon. Meanwhile the design's abilities (cloaking device, powerful central torpedo, green paint job, name "Bird of Prey" - since when (before ST3) did Klingons care about birds?) remained Romulan-like. I suspect this simplification is probably responsible for a low of post-ST3 Klingon ship design.

PvK

True, ST 3 was to have Romulans, but Paramount opted for Klingons instead. ST 3 was a ground breaking movie for many reasons. It was the first movie that we saw:

Klingon Bird of Prey
Grisson Class
Ingram Class (Excelsior)
Space Doc
Humor
Vulcan (in some detail)
Surek (Spokes dad)
etc.

I think it was a very good movie given the limited budget and Nimoy's limited director experience.

But up until that time there was never an offical Bird Of Prey ever listed for either the Romulans or Klingons. (However I have read that the Romulans and Klingons did continue to swap designs up unitl the battle of Khitomer which led to the destruction of the Enterprise C.)

[PvK]

Originally posted by Atrocities:
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But up until that time there was never an offical Bird Of Prey ever listed for either the Romulans or Klingons. (However I have read that the Romulans and Klingons did continue to swap designs up unitl the battle of Khitomer which led to the destruction of the Enterprise C.)

Maybe not official (?), but I see the classic TOS Romulan ship design called "Bird of Prey" pretty consistently - for example, on this modelling web page.

Moreover, all the TOS Romulan ships had hunting birds painted on them, including the ones which used Klingon D7 hulls. I don't remember any Klingon allusions to birds at all in TOS.

PvK

[Fyron]

Does it really matter? The ships look good (in blue). Who cares if they are strictly canon?

[ January 01, 2004, 01:06: Message edited by: Imperator Fyron ]

[narf poit chez BOOM]

Does it really matter? The ships look good (in blue). Who cares if they are strictly canon?

i don't. i just like the green better.

[PvK]

I don't really care if they're canon or whatever. In fact, I don't care about anything post TOS / Star Trek VI. I was just chatting.

PvK

[Atrocities]

Your right, there was a Romulan Bird Of Prey. My apologies. The Romulan BOP was from TOS. But in TOS they established that the Romulans and Klingons traded technology and ships. So it is entirely likely that both the Romulans and the Klingons in the TOS movie era had simular BOP designes.