Underestimate the AI: Reap the consequences.

[pinko commie]

Sounds like advantages for AI that humans dont have is a Good Thing.

I think Stormbinder got it right, too, in pointing out the difference between "AI" in the sense of dynamic tactical battle control and "AI" in the sense of "strategic player ersatz" -- but there is no need for name-calling and flaming, is there?

[Arryn]

Originally posted by pinko commie:
but there is no need for name-calling and flaming, is there?

Stormy and Norfy have a 'history' of mutual ... antagonism. I'm afraid that any calls for reason, calm, and restraint will fall upon deaf ears.

[Stormbinder]

Originally posted by pinko commie:
Sounds like advantages for AI that humans dont have is a Good Thing.

I think Stormbinder got it right, too, in pointing out the difference between "AI" in the sense of dynamic tactical battle control and "AI" in the sense of "strategic player ersatz" -- but there is no need for name-calling and flaming, is there?

In general - I would agree with you Pinko. But Norfleet is a special case. I strongly despite cheaters and think that they deserve to be flamed. And besides Norfleet is indeed dumb, I had to explain three times thing that is pretty obvious, as you can see yourslef.

[ August 02, 2004, 13:43: Message edited by: Stormbinder ]

[Gandalf Parker]

Originally posted by Arryn:

quote:

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Originally posted by pinko commie:
but there is no need for name-calling and flaming, is there?

Stormy and Norfy have a 'history' of mutual ... antagonism. I'm afraid that any calls for reason, calm, and restraint will fall upon deaf ears.

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However they should be aware that they endanger the thread everytime they do it. Any thread which degenerates into name calling with no discussion beneficial to the board.. well.. just doesnt need to be on the board. Why store a thread which only gives bad impressions of the forum.

[ August 02, 2004, 14:33: Message edited by: Gandalf Parker ]

[Cainehill]

Originally posted by Arryn:

quote:

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Originally posted by pinko commie:
but there is no need for name-calling and flaming, is there?

Stormy and Norfy have a 'history' of mutual ... antagonism. I'm afraid that any calls for reason, calm, and restraint will fall upon deaf ears.

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Stormy has a history of hypocrisy as well, demanding as a condition of my joining his game that I swear to stop flaming him, while obviously never passing up any opportunity to nail Norf.

On topic : Am I the only one who wishes that the phantom AI wouldn't decide that unscripted B1 sages should ... charge the attacking barbarian horde?

[Arryn]

Originally posted by Gandalf Parker:
However they should be aware that they endanger the thread everytime they do it. Any thread which degenerates into name calling with no discussion beneficial to the board.. well.. just doesnt need to be on the board. Why store a thread which only gives bad impressions of the forum.

Well, prune the offending Posts. You've done such things in the past ...

[Inigo Montoya]

Originally posted by Arryn:
Stormy and Norfy have a 'history' of mutual ... antagonism. I'm afraid that any calls for reason, calm, and restraint will fall upon deaf ears.

Looks to me like Norfleet has shown restraint. Only one pair of ears are deaf in this thread.

[Norfleet]

Originally posted by Stormbinder:
There is only *one* tactical dinamic AI in Dom2 program. You are confusuing it with strategic AI (your opponent).

This is the same in nearly every game. In all such games, however, any effect that causes control of your unit to pass over to the AI is always disastrous for you, whereas it has absolutely no effect on the AI, since it doesn't change the fact that the AI controls its own units.

You, as a player, have an option to use this dynamic tactical AI routine at any time, by scripting you mages to "spells". Your computer opponent *always* use the same tactical AI routine that you have access to.

This is a supremely counterproductive exercise, not to mention a conflict of interest: Since the objective is to DEFEAT the AI, by playing better than it does, it's very much counterproductive to play exactly the same as it does.

So if you script mages to spell, the *same* dynamic AI alhoritms will control *both* sides, with possible very rare exception that is the topic of this thread. But in any case the spell selection will use the same dinamic AI routine for both you and your opponent. Got it?

You're missing the point that in this case, the AI still controls its own units. You don't.

[sachmo]

There is no need for namecalling.

And yes, calling someone "stupid" is namecalling, as well as immature.

[Cheezeninja]

well in any event, be it a lucky attack rear that laid me low, or an actual Dom1 order, i think it should stay. Its good to be surprised by the AI every now and then and i dont mind that at all.