OT:Why Aliens dont come here

[narf poit chez BOOM]

Timstone said:
Starhawk:
China actualy has a birthcontrol law act.
You are not allowed to have more than two children. If you are a single mother/father you are not allowed to have more than one child.

Warmonger countries; yeah you're probabely right about the war thingie. Some countries never learn to peacefully coexist.
To wander a little bit, I don't think global peace will never come. We might have a slight change at worldpeace when all religions would be banished. But that isn't a viable option.

Apparently, I have to repeat myself. 1: Stalin and Hitler were atheists. I'm judging by their actions. 2: The enslavement of black people was supported by the scientific establishment of the time, which deemed them evolutionary throwbacks. 3: People tend to support whatever theory allows them to feel good about their already existing prejudices. 4: Religeon was the motivating factor behind the establishment of the first country to try for the goal of equality for all it's people, however blinded they were by their prejudices. 'One nation under God'.

I get really annoyed when people propose simplistic solutions to complex problems.

[Starhawk]

I'm sorry religion is not actually the main cause of war so that's not even worth mentioning, as mentioned MANY times most of the "real" Modern wars (I mean ones involving whole countries and not just individual tribes fighting one another which Last i heard falls under the catagory of "Conflicts other then war)have been caused over the desire for Raw materials, land and other resources.
Banishing all religion would NOT bring peace at all, especially since nation's that have "Banned" religion have simply taken up humanistic "divinity" as their new dogma, or used the ban on religion as an excuse for promoting their own dogma.
Basically religion as the cause of all war is just an excuse atheists use to make those with religious belief look bad. (aside from the 7day war I mean point out a war now a days caused by religious beliefs? (seriously if there is a war I don't know about point it out I'm willing to listen)

A unified world government would probobly require the unification of the super powers first (AKA China and the US would have to ally) and then most likely a big nasty war to get rid of those irritating nationalist Groups that would no doubt pop up when you tried to take over their country either by economic or military preasure. Ah hell I'm going to start a thread on this read that to see the rest of this hehe.

Oh and I probobly misunderstood the whole Chinese population growth thing I know that at one point in history their population doubled every fifty years.

[Fyron]

Starhawk said:
Oh and I probobly misunderstood the whole Chinese population growth thing I know that at one point in history their population doubled every fifty years.

Same with everywhere else in the world, especially as various agricultural and industrial revolutions occured...

[Starhawk]

Yeah but China has a HUGE population so them doubling is scary.

[Alneyan]

If you were speaking of the Last fifty years, your statement was indeed correct. China had fewer than 600 million inhabitants in the 1953 census (how reliable this census was is another matter), but more than 1,250 million inhabitants in 2000 (the figure is now estimated to be slightly under 1,3000 million), which would be a twofold increase in roughly fifty years. During this period, China had a growth rate around 2% per year, and the number of children per woman was much higher, especially before 1975.

My point was that China's population growth is decreasing nowadays, making a twofold increase in fifty years no longer possible (with the current trends that is). How quickly will their growth slow down is another question; the estimated value for 2004 is 0.57%, which seems quite low compared to the 1% of the previous years (or 0.9% in 2001). But predicting the future is not something I will try. I have read about estimates going from 1,400 million inhabitants to 1,600 before their population growth stops (once again with the present tendencies).

[Starhawk]

Yeah but I've also run across articles and the like that say by 2057 Africa's population will be less then 100 million due to AIDS and other stuff, I don't know how some "scientists" come up with such projections but it just doesn't sound right an entire Continent reduced to 100 million people.

Anyone got any real info on the Africa thing because as I said many times before i love learning the "facts" of things I've read about so if you'd like you can PM me with the info

[Alneyan]

I would believe AIDS to be particularly devastating because it is easily transmitted to offsprings, which will carry the virus themselves, and so on. That is closer to biology though, and not exactly my field of study, so I should keep quiet here.

Add to that the usual problems (wars, corruption, not so nice leaders, malnutrition, shortage of water...), and you could reach a very bleak projection. Of course, it would not be possible to know whether these problems will be so worse as to destroy Africa's population, or if the very high number of children per woman will be enough, or... The growth rate was still positive Last year (2.3%), and you would probably need dramatic events in the future to bring the 840 million inhabitants of Africa down to 100 millions in fifty years (not the kind of things I would like to see myself).

[Sivran]

Palestinians and Israelis fight over "holy land" among other things.

Islamic fundamentlist extremists (note the extremist qualifier) fly planes into buildings, blow themselves up in malls, cars, and anywhere else they can cause a lot of pain.

And that's just off the top of my head without going very far back. You can't simply ignore the violence done by those claiming to be "doing god's work".

Religion, money/trade, resources, and survival. These are all primary causes for war. Any war can be put into one or more of these four boxes.

[brianeyci]

narf poit chez BOOM said:
Apparently, I have to repeat myself. 1: Stalin and Hitler were atheists.

No. Fundamentalist propaganda. Not sure about Stalin, but here's Hitler, http://www.creationtheory.org/Morality/Hitler.shtml

Its a good site too, should be required reading lol.

Brian

[Starhawk]

Sivran said:
Palestinians and Israelis fight over "holy land" among other things.

Islamic fundamentlist extremists (note the extremist qualifier) fly planes into buildings, blow themselves up in malls, cars, and anywhere else they can cause a lot of pain.

And that's just off the top of my head without going very far back. You can't simply ignore the violence done by those claiming to be "doing god's work".

Religion, money/trade, resources, and survival. These are all primary causes for war. Any war can be put into one or more of these four boxes.

Oh yeah and we all know atheistic governments have proven themselves totally worthwhile and innocent (gag)

Stalin=Atheist (his only "spiritual" beleif was that humanity in and of it's self was some sort of divinity unless of course they were peasents who died in their millions for him)
Hitler=Occultist (the occult is not a religion)
Chinese Leaders=Atheist (China Banned religion and the state line is Atheism)
PRK Leaders= Atheist (Same deal as China)

Yeah and we all know just how caring and loving these people are don't we?

It is a foolish and ignorant thing to blame the problems of the world on religion, trust me if there was no religion I'd still hate you for some reason if I wanted to.