OT: Illegal immigrants sue Wendy's...

[Black_Knyght]

AMF said:

Ok, I'll ignore the snarkiness, and ask the question again, becuase I really just want to know, and you stated that you did know: can you tell me more about thsese amnesty programs that existed? Really, I just want to know.

I mean, from a personal POV this whole amnesty issue is probably the sole remaining issue that I agree with Bush on, so I am quite curious about it.

If you don't want to tell me, that's fine (weird, but fine).

You also mention:

Can you tell me more in this regard as well? It's always been my understanding that the, aside from being born on US soil or being born to US parents, the only way to become a citizen was through the naturalization process, which requires one to have held a green card for many years. To get a green card, you have to either be a permanent resident, or win one in the annual lottery. To get perm resident status, I think you have to be married to a US citizen, or have an employer sponsor...

But if there are amnest programs about, then I would like to know more about them. Also, if I've got the above wrong, please let me know. Really!

Thanks,

AMF

AMF : My knowledge comes from first-hand experience here, as I have volunteered more than two hundred hours of my personal time to help the Department of Social Services in California.

I have volunteered my time as a translator, as an intake aid, in welfare and medical screenings, and more. I have been personally involved in some of the programs that have reached out to a huge number of illegal immigrants, and while a portion of them have taken advantage of these programs, an equal if not larger portion has refused them because of the requirements of accountability.

If you REALLY WANT TO KNOW, PERSONALLY, take the time to find out by VOLUNTEERING your personal time in this capacity as I have, instead of grand-standing in some unrelated forum. Or, if that's too much effort, just look it up online. That's what most folks like yourself do, anyway.

[Black_Knyght]

narf poit chez BOOM said:
Why not just allow anyone who doesn't have a criminal record to immigrate?

That's what frustrates me here -> They already CAN do that. They jusy didn't chose to.

AMF said:
Can ypu provide further details or information on amnesty programs for illegals over the past decade or so?

You wouldn't need to request details or info on this if you every watched the news, especially in states most affected by illegal immigrants. Every few months theres some article about it. Additionally, these same illegals who readily know how to get Welfare can use the same offices & services to gain citizenship or legal working status, and have been able to for years.

Atrocities said:
If Wendy's broke the law then they should pay. Being illegal employee or immigrant, doesn't give a company the right to treat people like slaves.

I wholehearted agree, and don't believe for a minute that if Wendy's broke the law or treated these people badly they should get away with it. My problem lies in people like the individual who's been here 14yrs, knowingly illegal, using this event to their advantage. Without sounding hard-*** (which is not where I'm coming from here), he and many others like him have had numerous chances to avoid this problem and didn't. Them an opportunity comes to gain from it and there's a lawsuit.

My only real point in all of this is that I believe illegal is illegal, and if the opportunity exists to correct that then they should've done so. Especially the people who have knowingly skirted that edge for years.

As I've said earlier, I have worked with many such people, and have had first-hand experience with many, many people who skirt the system until they can use it to their advantage. I think if you want to live here and work here, more power to you. Just do it legally. I believe if you're law-abiding and willing to work you're more than welcome here. But if come here knowingly illegal, work illegally, do anything illegally, you should have to face the consequences of your actions. I am a legal citizen here, and you can bet if I break the law I'm held accountable. Should someone who's here illegally be any less accountable?

Please understand, I'm not against these people in any way. I just don't agree with people who are illegal using a system established by people who are to their advantage.

[AMF]

Black_Knyght said:
You wouldn't need to request details or info on this if you every watched the news, especially in states most affected by illegal immigrants.

Ok, I'll ignore the snarkiness, and ask the question again, becuase I really just want to know, and you stated that you did know: can you tell me more about thsese amnesty programs that existed? Really, I just want to know.

I mean, from a personal POV this whole amnesty issue is probably the sole remaining issue that I agree with Bush on, so I am quite curious about it.

If you don't want to tell me, that's fine (weird, but fine).

You also mention:

Every few months theres some article about it. Additionally, these same illegals who readily know how to get Welfare can use the same offices & services to gain citizenship or legal working status, and have been able to for years.

Can you tell me more in this regard as well? It's always been my understanding that the, aside from being born on US soil or being born to US parents, the only way to become a citizen was through the naturalization process, which requires one to have held a green card for many years. To get a green card, you have to either be a permanent resident, or win one in the annual lottery. To get perm resident status, I think you have to be married to a US citizen, or have an employer sponsor...

But if there are amnest programs about, then I would like to know more about them. Also, if I've got the above wrong, please let me know. Really!

Thanks,

AMF

[Atrocities]

AMF, I don't think he was directly speaking about a specific amesty program but more so about dicussions he may have watched or heard on news programs.

I believe he my have been generalizing a decade of dicussions without considering the possiblity that someone might want more specific information. He cannot be faulted for this as I am sure he did not intend to be grilled in a sentence per sentence manor regarding his comments.

I am sure that if you yourself investigated the subject you could offer more specific insight about the topic of amnesty.

I am sure that we would all benefit from your research into the topic.

[capnq]

One of CBS News' new "freeSpeech" opinion segments was by a young man who has been trying to get legal immigration status for over ten tears. I would not be surprised if some of these people who have been here for fourteen years have tried to follow the rules, but are still pending in the overtaxed bureaucracy.

Here is an article about the failures of the amnesty that was granted in 1986.

[RonGianti]

capnq said:
I would not be surprised if some of these people who have been here for fourteen years have tried to follow the rules, but are still pending in the overtaxed bureaucracy.

Sometimes the answer to the question is "No". There is no country on Earth except the USA that seems to be "required" to take in anyone who asks, regardless of why and how.

If I walk across the border into Mexico illegally, do you know what the fine is? 4 years in jail and $50,000 USD. What a bunch of hypocrites! Mexico complains that the USA doesn't treat its illegals well because it doesn't make it easier, when Mexico does a LOT more than give a slap on the wrist!

It is not the responsibility of the USA to take care of Mexican citizens. Why are we on the same continent, but where there is poverty and corruption to the south, there is wealth and less corruption a few miles north? And when did it become the USA's job to provide for Mexican citizens?

Immigration is not a bad thing, Illegal immigration IS. If you've already shown that you have NO respect for the countries laws, why should you be allowed in at all?

[Atrocities]

Volunteering is a very good way to gain first hand knowledge of a subject. A good recommendation there BK.

[Fyron]

RonGianti said:
Why are we on the same continent, but where there is poverty and corruption to the south, there is wealth and less corruption a few miles north?

Because the entire Spanish colonial system was rife with personal corruption throughout its history. The practices of officials in Spain were carried over to the colonies. Corruption was deeply embedded in the system, and it only continued as the colonies gained independence.

[AMF]

Black_Knyght said:
If you REALLY WANT TO KNOW, PERSONALLY, take the time to find out by VOLUNTEERING your personal time in this capacity as I have, instead of grand-standing in some unrelated forum. Or, if that's too much effort, just look it up online.

Wow, you are seriously misinterpreting what I said. And you're awfully angry too. Fine, I hope that works for you. But the fact remains that you said there were amnesty programs, and all I did was politely ask for details. If you know so much about them, why not share?

That's what most folks like yourself do, anyway.

What type of person am I, exactly?

And, you seem to be casting (ad hominem) aspersions on my character, and thereby implying that my opinion is not as valuable to this debate as yours. So, just so you know: yes, if I were back in the States I would be volounteering in things of this nature, of that I am sure. But, unfortunately, I have been overseas for some time now. I do contribute here to immigrant related charities, however.

So here, again, is my question of you: what amnesty programs existed in the past decade?

Really, I just want to know.

EDIT: deleted unecessary snarkiness on my part.

[Fyron]

BK:
You have misinterpreted AMF's benign request for information. Why do you attack him so when all he wants is some info on amnesty programs?