Will Vanheim Ever Become Spayed?

[Aseth]

Hullu said:
I still don't see the board littered about "how can I fight against MA-Arco using tactic XY.

Why not? Because it's not a problem. Half the world see Vans are a problem though.

U still don't see the board littered about "how can I fight against MA-Arco using tactic XY just because Van 2x bless tactic just so nobrainer - everyone can use it even without big exp. playing Dom3...
and so mutch blabeling about Van is abaut newbie player just don`t want think how counter SPESIAL\NOT STANDART tactic, play against it like against typycal, & he is loosing of course...

for 2x bless u pay big price,it`s a tonn of points,u greatly sacrifice something abaut Reserch(draim-2),Numbers(near 5 sacreds per turn) & Income(bad scales)

[DrPraetorious]

Van has a powerful strategy, and there's no denying that it has a powerful strategy which is -
1 - Fast
and
2 - Easy to use.

Likewise Abyssia and the other heims.

If you go up against an experienced Sauromatia player, you'd better have a very strong strategy against Sauromatia, or you're in deep trouble.

Likewise for any other strong nation - if there are nations that don't have this property, then those nations are underpowered, and need to be buffed up somehow. Having only played a fraction of the positions seriously, I'm not sure which those are (people gripe about Oceania a lot.)

Now, the *heims and EA Abyssia have an easier time getting their nasty funk in gear, so they have significant advantages, especially on smaller maps, or with people who don't like to manage complicated strategies or field skirmishers.

But if you nerf them appreciably, they're useless. They don't get an early surge of face-hugging, and their magic is mediocre (except for Niefelheim.)

[NTJedi]

BigJMoney said:
I can't find any chinks in the Vanheim armor.

Could they possibly be nerfed some time? Please? I really like them, but I don't want an easy game, nor do I want to upset people in MP by choosing them.
=$= Big J Money =$=

The nation can be modded to suit your needs following the instructions inside the modding manual or you can choose another nation. Plenty of fun nations to play for each era. If all nations were perfectly balanced then it would limit game options for SP gamers.

[PDF]

Aseth said:

U still don't see the board littered about "how can I fight against MA-Arco using tactic XY just because Van 2x bless tactic just so nobrainer - everyone can use it even without big exp. playing Dom3...
and so mutch blabeling about Van is abaut newbie player just don`t want think how counter SPESIAL\NOT STANDART tactic, play against it like against typycal, & he is loosing of course...

for 2x bless u pay big price,it`s a tonn of points,u greatly sacrifice something abaut Reserch(draim-2),Numbers(near 5 sacreds per turn) & Income(bad scales)

Please read urself, it's ard to reed
Now to the point : double-bless doesn't mean that bad scales in Dom3, even with a Sleeping F9W9 pretender I can still take Order3.
And even then, what's the problem of "only" recruiting an half-dozen killing machines per turn, as they can chew up pretty anything right from game start ?
I'm currently in a pbem playing MA Vanheim (not event the best, LA is stronger !) with experienced players and I rank first on provinces and income by turn 18 just because I can field easily 8-vans armies overcoming lvl-8 indies.
Very few nations can have such an headstart, especially in MA. Add to this that Vans are recruitable everywhere and you'll see that Vanheim may be not unbeatable but is very strong and rather unbalanced compared to most nations.

[Shovah32]

Folket said:
C'tis also have poison slingers with area effect and 50% poison resistance on thier national troops. Could be worth investigating.

not in EA afaik

[NTJedi]

Beorne said:
Perfectly agreed, van it is so clearly overpowered that I think people doen't want it nerfed because they like win easily with them. I like very much Van thematically, but I don't take it in my mp games because I feel it cheating.

Some nations should be much more powerful for SP games and MP games. The powerful nations are needed in MP because gamers new to Dominions_3 should be allowed to compete playing the strongest nations. And with SP gamers the stronger nations are needed to provide a greater challenge as the game becomes easier and easier.

[biekert]

Belatedly coming to this thread:

I agree that Vanheim is MUCH stronger than other nations, particularly in the Early Ages. The glamour ability for most of their units is _incredibly strong_; because of it their armies can, in terms of gold/resources expended, take on enemies that have expended 2-4 times as much. They've taken on the "Ashen Empire Ermor in DOM2" title for me now; that is, I groan and curse when I first see their flag pop up on my border.

[Graeme Dice]

Jack_Trowell said:
With early C'tis, you could try using chariots with an order to attack cavalry, trampling vans should be a good way tu hurt them, no ?

Trampling has an attack value of 10, which means that the chariot has to trample the Helhirding about 14 times to kill it as it will only ever be likely to get the failed trample damage of 1.

[NickW]

NTJedi said:
Some nations should be much more powerful for SP games and MP games. The powerful nations are needed in MP because gamers new to Dominions_3 should be allowed to compete playing the strongest nations. And with SP gamers the stronger nations are needed to provide a greater challenge as the game becomes easier and easier.

What you've basically said is that the game should be seriously imbalanced and we should all be happy about that?

No. Just . . . No.

[Aseth]

PDF said:Please read urself, it's ard to reed

itz nat tu ard tu reed as u sink
english is my 3rd language, and if you want show your linguistic skills in Russian or Ukrainian, you always wellcome

full positive dominion Pithium can capture about 2-3 neutral provinces in turn - but it`s not unbalanced to all, or it is unbalanced too?