Awe Question

[Illuminated One]

Virtue has flying. So you can select the provinces that you attack. Just avoid archer heavy provinces as well as lizards and woodsmen.
Also if you set her to research you should get to const-2 quite fast.
I've used that with a Lady of Springs (much worse for SCing than Virtue) and she did quite well with const-2 gear.

[JimMorrison]

Originally Posted by Redeyes

Curiosity had me trying the Death 5/Domnions 10 Virtue against independents. What happened?
Air Shield -> Attack Rear, killed by 20 javelins from lion tribe warriors
She can't reliably solo indies before you give her some gear, which makes her less than optimal awake.

She is a bit more fragile than some other awake combatants, but that is really strange. Until I got the hang of using her (you do want to run numerous tests, she plays differently than say a PoD), she would die seemingly randomly until I got the hang of her.

And for reference, I mentioned that the D5 could be fun, but I usually use her as A4/S4 or A2/S4 with Dom10, and find her quite capable, even before being geared.

[JimMorrison]

Originally Posted by Tifone

Lol vfb they removed your image of the nice Lady

How ridiculously American.

It's okay to blow people up and invade their homes, but god forbid we see a low res sprite with exposed breasts - so realistic that they lack nipples.

Okay, enough talk of semi-nude sprites, back to killing people!

[Amorphous]

Originally Posted by JimMorrison

She is a bit more fragile than some other awake combatants, but that is really strange. Until I got the hang of using her (you do want to run numerous tests, she plays differently than say a PoD), she would die seemingly randomly until I got the hang of her.

And for reference, I mentioned that the D5 could be fun, but I usually use her as A4/S4 or A2/S4 with Dom10, and find her quite capable, even before being geared.

Roughly my experience of her effectiveness as well. I tend to just go Dom 10 and A4, which leaves 129 points to spend on scales.

From what I remember of my perusing the readme-file, the Virtue is A1S1 in CBM, though, so I guess that is what you are using.

[OmikronWarrior]

As long as this thread has semi-morphed into a discussion of the Virtue, one of my favorite Pretender choices, I might as well toss out my experience with her.

Pros:

-High Base Dominion (4, same as Immobile pretenders, higher than any other type of pretender I can think of)
-Awe +4 standard, and with high dominion getting bonus awe certainly affordable
-Air Magic (base 2) great on SC and thugs for Arrow Shield, Mirror Image, Mistform, and Cloud Trapeze
-Base Encumbrance of 1, very few units have encumbrance this low giving the Virtue a lot more staying power and makes balancing encumbrance and revig easier
-Flying
-some elemental resistances

Cons:

-Poor starting equipment, lack of armor particularly significant
-Low HP and Protection almost necessitates additional gear or she will die regardless of awe.
-80 points for a new path limits possible diversity.

The end combination is something difficult to use immediately as an SC, yet can become very powerful with some spell research and gear.

[Redeyes]

From what I remember of my perusing the readme-file, the Virtue is A1S1 in CBM, though, so I guess that is what you are using.

That's the exact change to her, which really makes her much more useful.
That the prince of death was changed from 125 points from 75 is another thing weighing in her favor.

The Scenario I described up-thread was probably a fluke, but I hope it made a point of her being quite vulnerable.

One CBM build I have toyed with is Earth4/Astral4/Air4, Dom5, Order 3, Sloth 1, Misfortune 2, Magic 1.
Opens some hard to get stuff like Crystal items, Golem Summoning, Elemental Staffs, many globals, besides all the personal power she attains.

Not tested it yet, but I imagine I'll give it a run in a future game

[lch]

Originally Posted by JimMorrison

How ridiculously American.

It's okay to blow people up and invade their homes, but god forbid we see a low res sprite with exposed breasts - so realistic that they lack nipples.

Okay, enough talk of semi-nude sprites, back to killing people!

I wonder when they're going to find the screenshots of the Nephilim with their groins exposed. Whoops, can't show that in a christian manga!

[JimMorrison]

Slap a fig leaf on that already!

[Amorphous]

Originally Posted by Redeyes

That's the exact change to her, which really makes her much more useful.
That the prince of death was changed from 125 points from 75 is another thing weighing in her favor.

The Scenario I described up-thread was probably a fluke, but I hope it made a point of her being quite vulnerable.

One CBM build I have toyed with is Earth4/Astral4/Air4, Dom5, Order 3, Sloth 1, Misfortune 2, Magic 1.
Opens some hard to get stuff like Crystal items, Golem Summoning, Elemental Staffs, many globals, besides all the personal power she attains.

Not tested it yet, but I imagine I'll give it a run in a future game

The Virtue is fragile, yes, but with awe +7 most units will just not hit her. That in combination with flying and high dominion makes her a quite solid awake expander. You have to avoid some indies, but most present no problems.

I am a bit unsure about your build as the difference between awe +4 and +7 is huge. It might be hard to expand with her without equipment or alteration 3 researched. Consider having her dormant.

I am also not really convinced that the CBM version is more useful. It is very nice for EA Arcoscephale - that much I admit - but for the most part it just makes her more expensive.
Air 4, for early air-boosters if nothing else, is usually very high on the list of things I want with her - costing 24 points extra in CBM - and if I seriously consider a second path it tends to be either nature or earth. Furthermore, her high awe makes her a quite adequate combatant, but low astral makes her a very easy target, so you are more or less required to invest some points there, too.

[chrispedersen]

Originally Posted by JimMorrison

How ridiculously American.

It's okay to blow people up and invade their homes, but god forbid we see a low res sprite with exposed breasts - so realistic that they lack nipples.

Okay, enough talk of semi-nude sprites, back to killing people!

Such an image is not allowed virtually all of the muslim world, and routinely disallowed by screeners in china as well.

Every culture has its own preferences and mores. It is rather juvenile and gratuitous to make fun of American sensibilities - lets keep the topic on Dominions.