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Old October 17th, 2015, 03:12 AM
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LAV-AT Modernization. LAV-AT program replaces the obsolete Emerson 901 turret and M220E3 TOW to restore operational availability.

LAV Survivability. Self-sealing fuel systems for the mission role variants will begin production in 4th Qtr FY15. Mine protected seating developmental work to be completed in 2d Qtr FY14.
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The current version of the LAV is 5, perhaps 6 is justified BUT I'd think that should be reserved for the M1A1.
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As to improved survivablity .. they're already at 6, the highest value WinSPMBT allows.

we will be looking into adding a 7 to the survival number series to give various new generation tanks ( the Leo 2a7 comes to mind ) added mine protection cabability similar to making them MRV class and that 7 would cover other added crew protection making it far less likely to behave like T-72's so more likely to disable and most of the crew bail out in the event of a hull breach than catastrophic detonation.

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Quick status of the M829E4/M829A4 (Field version.), it is in low rate production now/USA to decide on status of the continued use of DU rounds by MID FY16 (Mar/Apr 2016) though DU will still be used to enhance armor protection due to greater protective abilities over steel. Included USA ref on current status of our ammo across the board from 30mm to 120mm from 2014.
https://www.orbitalatk.com/news-room...se.asp?prid=53
http://www.upi.com/Business_News/Sec...6161437423579/
http://www.dtic.mil/ndia/2014armaments/WedPaulHill.pdf


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I need list.....anyone can chime in this is not specifically for Pat....... of modern MBT's or APC's that have been upgraded for added mine protection .....the Leo 2A7 comes to mind for one. We need to know what else has been

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German 2A7
Canadian 2A4M and 2A6M
Swedish Strv 122M
later Merkavas would qualify
T-14 Armata and I *think* maybe the BMP Armata as well

...........all seem to be fitted with bottom armour specifically to counter IEDs etc

anything like that on the newer Abrams ?

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This is interesting........... Japanese Type-10 gun stabilizer demo


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Would the "BDD" armour package for T-62M (includes belly armour for anti mine protection) count?

how about:
T-80U (T80UD, T-80UK, T80uM1) anti-mine/IED armour, drivers seat suspended from roof, etc
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Certainly worth considering
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The zoomed in camera guy could have done with that stabiliser. Quiet an eye opener very smooth transitions.
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NOT REPEATING ANY YOU'VE LISTED THUS FAR AS THEY ARE CORRECT. My criteria was simple from my sources 1) It had to say it was protected as demonstrated below for the OPLOT-M and barring that 2) There was a strong enough indication in the source material to suggest it's there without me having to think "about it" that is why I wrote up the Indian ARJUN Mk 2 and Japan's TYPE 10 the way I did.

UK: Though I would think "size" matters to some degree in what your looking for here. CHALLENGER 2 definitely.
https://defense-update.com/features/...l_panther.html

Germany: LEO 2A4 EVOLUTION, LEO 2A6M (Though in limited numbers.) and LEO 2A6-PSO.

Israel: NAMER (Remember what's derived from and it's current and ongoing operational environment.)

USA: M1A2 TUSK, M1A2 SEP V1 (The 2 tanks in the OOB have to be extended out to 2020 vice 2015.), M1A2 SEP V2 and the SEP V3 as they come on line. Hot off the press:
http://www.armyrecognition.com/unite..._11610155.html

Also new ammo is now in full rate production as discussed in my last 2 or 3 posts here:

http://www.armyrecognition.com/ausa_2015_show_daily_news_coverage_report/ausa_2015_orbital_atk_awarded_$105_million_in_cont racts_for_medium_large_caliber_ammunition.html

MARINES: I know it's been done, just not sure to which current versions yet. However are we aware of the fact that the USMC tanks are equipped with a ATGW jamming device?

SWEDEN: Current STRV tanks, people forget they were in the "sxxt" as well and learned from it.

FRANCE: Well this, the SADF and Turkey might be the extent of my contribution this year and it will become obvious as I list the following LECLERC/AMX-56 tanks, LECLERC EMAT S3 series (2004-2010)- LECLERC T-10/T-11.

UKRAINE/THAILAND: OPLOT-M and because no one will believe or be shocked by this I give you the following:
"The Oplot tank can withstand an explosion of up to 10kg trinitrotoluene (TNT) under the tank track and up to 4kg TNT under the driver's compartment." - Army Technology
10kg of trinitrotoluene makes a "BIG BOOM"!!

INDIA: This is on a little less firm ground however with the added 1.5T of armor improvement (Making this the heaviest tank in the world.), I would would think the ARJUN Mk 2 is a viable candidate.

JAPAN: TYPE 10 though maybe to a lesser degree in the same situation as mentioned above for the ARJUN Mk 2.

TURKEY: LEOPARD T2 (Next Generation) that's right this tank is considered by many to be "superior" to any current LEOPARD 2A6 tanks when this was fielded. However my sources do not allow for the ALTAY or South Korean K2 to be a part of this discussion.

I've gone through my tank sources to get this far though I have to admit I wish I had a JANE's. A couple of surprises for me though was the T-90MS and ARIETE (Based on Italy having sent combat ground troops over seas.) but, if you take a look you'll notice most listed were deployed to IRAQ/or AFGHANISTAN at some point.

Also as I mentioned above I feel size/mass does matter here so I wouldn't most APC/IFV types would fit in the direction your going as suggested by a couple of others out here. The newer MRAP's however would definitely fit the criteria but that's for later.

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