.com.unity Forums
  The Official e-Store of Shrapnel Games

This Month's Specials

Raging Tiger- Save $9.00
winSPMBT: Main Battle Tank- Save $6.00

   







Go Back   .com.unity Forums > Shrapnel Community > Space Empires: IV & V

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #401  
Old November 22nd, 2006, 03:46 PM

Raapys Raapys is offline
First Lieutenant
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Posts: 689
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Raapys is on a distinguished road
Default Re: Balance Mod AIs

Isn't GlobalResearch called each time an age change is called ? I'm not really sure how the AI_Research file fit in with the GlobalResearch file and the setup- and main script research parts at any rate. What a mess.
Reply With Quote
  #402  
Old November 22nd, 2006, 03:51 PM

Romulus68 Romulus68 is offline
Sergeant
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 220
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Romulus68 is on a distinguished road
Default Re: Balance Mod AIs

Is it possible to define what levels the the AI will research towards? So that you can predetermine the early phases of research to acheive a good mix of technology. For example: You tell a Crystaline race to research certain techs up to a said level then build a predeterimed ship.

By doing this you are able to program exactly how the ships will be built. ie Weapons, armor, shields, racial traits, etc. It will make the ships be "Cookie Cutter" designs, BUT effective "Cookie Cutter" designs.

Program in a variable that will pick predeterimed ship designs using a preset percentage of the existing designs. ie 40% frigates/destroyers, 30% Light cruisers/cruisers, 10% dreads/BB's, 5% carriers, 5% Support ships. A fleet of 10 ships would break down as 4 Frigates, 3 Cruisers, 1 Dreadnaught, 1 Carrier, and 1 Repair Ship.

The AI will build a balanced force between the size classes while using the predetermined ship configuration.
Reply With Quote
  #403  
Old November 22nd, 2006, 05:08 PM
Captain Kwok's Avatar

Captain Kwok Captain Kwok is offline
National Security Advisor
 
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Toronto, Canada
Posts: 5,623
Thanks: 1
Thanked 14 Times in 12 Posts
Captain Kwok is on a distinguished road
Default Re: Balance Mod AIs

Quote:
Raapys said:Isn't GlobalResearch called each time an age change is called ? I'm not really sure how the AI_Research file fit in with the GlobalResearch file and the setup- and main script research parts at any rate. What a mess.
No. It is only used for starting tech selection. Script_AI_Research.txt is the main file for determining what the AI will research in-game along with the called inserts from the Empire scripts themselves.

Anyway I've clean up the race setup selections - some of them weren't matched nicely to what I've have them researching later. I've also tidied up the common research list and hopefully it will help with efficiency.

Romulus:
That is almost exactly how it is setup right now... except there is more flexibility in the current system. The only real difference right now is that the AI will not build a good mixture of big and small ships - another item on the to-do list.
__________________
Space Empires Depot | SE:V Balance Mod
Reply With Quote
  #404  
Old November 22nd, 2006, 05:24 PM

Romulus68 Romulus68 is offline
Sergeant
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 220
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Romulus68 is on a distinguished road
Default Re: Balance Mod AIs

Quote:
Captain Kwok said:
Anyway I've clean up the race setup selections - some of them weren't matched nicely to what I've have them researching later. I've also tidied up the common research list and hopefully it will help with efficiency.

If I design/make new races on my own. What AI script will they use? Will I get smarter AI's using your pre-made ones?

Follow-up: If I start a game with 1,000,000 research will/does your AI's use it all? Does any AI use it all?

Follow up to the follow up: Can you make the Racial techs available on the race creation process?
Reply With Quote
  #405  
Old November 22nd, 2006, 09:08 PM
Captain Kwok's Avatar

Captain Kwok Captain Kwok is offline
National Security Advisor
 
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Toronto, Canada
Posts: 5,623
Thanks: 1
Thanked 14 Times in 12 Posts
Captain Kwok is on a distinguished road
Default Re: Balance Mod AIs

It depends on what script you tell them to use. If you copy one of the other empires or the default scripts, you'd get comparable performance with them in the mod. They may not necessarily smarter, but their tools will be improved.

The AI will use all the startup tech and racial points that it can.
__________________
Space Empires Depot | SE:V Balance Mod
Reply With Quote
  #406  
Old November 23rd, 2006, 03:07 AM
Captain Kwok's Avatar

Captain Kwok Captain Kwok is offline
National Security Advisor
 
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Toronto, Canada
Posts: 5,623
Thanks: 1
Thanked 14 Times in 12 Posts
Captain Kwok is on a distinguished road
Default Re: Next Balance Mod Update

I decided to hold off with a small release and continue on working on a more extensive v0.99 with the updated AI treaty scheme included. I did manage to update the research scripts today and it looks like they will address a number of the issues mentioned here. (Secretly it's because I want a nice shiny and stable v1.00 mu ha ha ha).

There's also some fixes and revisions for components and facilities. For example, I gave shields a bit better starting base and a slight boost in overall strength - primarily because they only regenerate after each turn and not each combat.

I'm aiming for the end of the weekend for this update - it should give me some time to actually play the mod too, rather than just test if the AI designs ships right.
__________________
Space Empires Depot | SE:V Balance Mod
Reply With Quote
  #407  
Old November 24th, 2006, 02:28 PM

Dragonmaster Dragonmaster is offline
Private
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 1
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Dragonmaster is on a distinguished road
Default Re: Next Balance Mod Update

Just a small fix for your next version Kwok. Your shield Regenerator amount is showing wrong in the component help due to you using %amount1% instead of %amount2% and its returning the value of 1 for all levels.
Reply With Quote
  #408  
Old November 25th, 2006, 11:39 AM
Captain Kwok's Avatar

Captain Kwok Captain Kwok is offline
National Security Advisor
 
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Toronto, Canada
Posts: 5,623
Thanks: 1
Thanked 14 Times in 12 Posts
Captain Kwok is on a distinguished road
Default Re: Next Balance Mod Update

Thanks. I caught that typo yesterday when people where saying the displayed amount was 1.

---

I'm still debugging the new AI treaty proposal system. There are offering the right items for the package they choose and all, but for some reason I've having trouble getting the selected treaty name to appear... it's odd...
__________________
Space Empires Depot | SE:V Balance Mod
Reply With Quote
  #409  
Old November 25th, 2006, 12:51 PM

Raapys Raapys is offline
First Lieutenant
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Posts: 689
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Raapys is on a distinguished road
Default Re: Next Balance Mod Update

Could you alter the AIs 'Dont get hurt' strategy? When an AI attacks with a combined fleet of non-combat and combat ships, the non-combat ships with the Dont get hurt strategy will move so far away from the enemy ships that they cross the retreat border, effectively splitting the AIs fleet in two, while the combat ships engage. So we'd need strategy that doesn't move the 'fleeing' ships further away from the enemy than a certain safe distance.
Reply With Quote
  #410  
Old November 25th, 2006, 03:00 PM
AAshbery76's Avatar

AAshbery76 AAshbery76 is offline
Corporal
 
Join Date: Dec 2000
Location: England
Posts: 155
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
AAshbery76 is on a distinguished road
Default Re: Next Balance Mod Update

There are no intel points done by the A.I's whatsoever, been playing for hours vs 13 A.I's.
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 06:15 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.1
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright ©1999 - 2024, Shrapnel Games, Inc. - All Rights Reserved.