Ukraine 2021(?) - Page 5

DRG · #41 February 27th, 2022, 01:37 PM

EDIT: Better ( I ASSUME).....transcript

https://www.joeydevilla.com/2022/02/...krainian-soil/

Woman: Who are you?

Soldier: We have exercises here. Please go this way.

Woman: What kind of exercises? Are you Russian?

Soldier: Yes.

Woman: So what the **** are you doing here?

Soldier: Right now, our discussion will lead to nothing.

Woman: You’re occupants, you’re fascists! What the **** are you doing on our land with all these guns? Take these seeds [sunflower seeds — the sunflower is Ukraine’s national flower] so at least sunflowers will grow when you all lie down here.

Soldier: Right now, our discussion will lead nowhere [clearly, they’ve been given talking points]. Let’s not escalate this situation. Please.

Woman: What situation? Guys, guys. Put sunflower seeds in your pockets, please. You will lie down here with the seeds. You come to my land. Do you understand? You are occupiers. You are enemies.

Soldier: Yes.

Woman: And from this moment, you are cursed. I’m telling you.

Soldier: Now listen to me —

Woman: I’ve heard you.

Soldier: Let’s not escalate the situation. Please go this way.

Woman: How can it be further escalated? You ****ing came here uninvited. Pieces of ****.

wulfir · #42 February 27th, 2022, 01:59 PM

Announcement on Swedish TV now by the prime minster; Sweden is to ship 5000 light anti tank weapons to Ukraine. These are not Rb 57 (NLAW) or Grg (Carl Gustaf) however but Pansarskott 86 (usually called AT-4 internationally).

DRG · #43 February 27th, 2022, 02:29 PM

Weapon 81 in the Swede OOB I believe?

DRG · #44 February 27th, 2022, 02:39 PM

We are adding these things in and it's a "good thing"(tm) that nations are helping out....... the problem is they will only get into use if this conflict drags out and the longer this drags on........ well it isn't good ( for anyone )

The Ukrainians needed these in their hands from the very start but who knows maybe they will get to where they are needed but thinking..... probably not.

wulfir · #45 February 28th, 2022, 02:34 PM

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Weapon 81 in the Swede OOB I believe?

That seems likely.
Maybe a few OOB066 Weapon 107..., don't know.

Finland announced it intends to hand over 1500 "single shot anti tank weapons" - I guess that means M72 LAW or APILAS.

DRG · #46 February 28th, 2022, 03:14 PM

We've put a few of the reported weapons in and built units to use them along with Citizen Militia units and a vehicle but for now that going to be it. To many variables and too much is happening too fast to try to keep up or we'll end up with an abbreviated version of the USA OOB when we had to take out all the "future weapons systems" that never happened and we ( I ) had to tear the OOB apart and rebuild it to reflect "reality".

wulfir · #47 February 28th, 2022, 04:40 PM

I can understand that. I'm happy they get the stuff but OOB work is going to be major headache if Ukraine gets flooded with all kinds of kit.

Norway pledges 2000 M72 LAWs too. Not sure if it brings anything much different to the table compared to what is already in the OOB but the math is interesting. Say only one in four of these foreign supplied weapons hits a target that would still be a considerable number of damaged or killed vehicles...

DRG · #48 February 28th, 2022, 05:02 PM

Lot's of photos of wrecks but no way to confirm who's they are unless there are subtle hints I have not been able to decipher but there has been a cornucopia of high quality photos of T-72's published lately.... some working.. some never likely to again

AT4/Pansarskott 86 is just a more capable M72. If you had the choose one pick the AT4..... if all you have is an M72 it will do the job for most things you'd need it for IF it can get it to where it would do the most good

blazejos · #49 February 28th, 2022, 07:50 PM

Even Mig-29 and Su-25 will be send to Ukraine

https://twitter.com/verkhovna_rada/s...-slowacja.html

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/0...-jets-00012560

And about Swedish AT4 here what we have hope that they will include this funny fake IKEA style manuals

DRG · #50 February 28th, 2022, 08:25 PM

As a tie in with the post I made the other day

The quality of the equipment seems really sub par and " well used" . LINK

Recalling the comment made in the movie Kelly's Heros by Moriarty when they "acquired" the Tiger

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It's a piece of junk! The fuel system leaks all over the place. It's a piece of junk!

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If you would like those maps included in the next update forward them to me by mid March

May I kindly suggest that a 15~ day delay be put onto this year's update?.

Mid March is the aim point for submissions like scenarios NOT when we will release the update. We are WELL AWARE that the situation is fluid ( Gee.. Ya think ? ) and there may need to be serious adjustments. Andy and I exchanged at least 2 dozen emails yesterday

That said this is reported to be a wrecked Russian MT-LBM and it isn't exactly what you would call a top tier combat vehicle

( unless someone thought this was going to be a.......“We have only to kick in the door, and the whole rotten structure will come crashing down.”...... exercise)