PBW Star Trek Game

[geoschmo]

Fyron, I wont try to convince you, I know that once you make up your mind there's no hope of that.

The problems with the intel system are well known and documented and have been since the begining of SE4. This is really nothing new. Personally I have no problem using it or not for this game.

We are the Borg. Intel is irrelevant. You will adapt to service us.

For those races that would tend to use it, disallowing it would, I think, take a lot of the richness of the RP out of it. Dominion, Romulan, and to a lesser extent the Ferengi and Federation all have active spy networks in Trek.

For a more competative game your point about disallowing intel taking away a piece of the strategy of the game is valid. People complain already that empire setup is too formulaic. Taking Intel out of the game makes it even more so. That argument doesn't really apply that much to a role play game like this though.

Geoschmo

[Atrocities]

I have asked CNC if he cares about having intel since he is playing as the Cardassians. He said that he wanted it. I talked to him about what Fyron has said, and he agreed to think it over. I think he too will agree that Intel, if it is going to cause problems, is not needed this time out.

So we have 3 for no intel, 1 on the fence. Any others?

[Fyron]

I think Sparhawk and Tesco both said they wanted intel on, but that was before my big post...

[ March 05, 2003, 04:44: Message edited by: Imperator Fyron ]

[gravey101]

I dont mind either way.

[userx]

I'd be interested in playing! When will the game take place?? I've never played multiplay so this would be fun. I'll play the Breen if it's still available and game time fits my schedule.

[sparhawk]

Yes, I never used intel, but due some games I'm in now, I now see the "strength" of intel.
Simple: you have to have it; to destroy your enemy fast or counter.
If you don't have it, and your opponent has, then you are in a real mesh.
Therefore I normally do a game without intel, altought this is going to change: "I have seen the light".

But for this game its something else: we are encourage to roleplay our race and because of this all arguments against it are invalid.
Like Geoschmo is saying, if you want to play the races of star trek the right way, then you have to include intel. If you like it or not.
So Sorry Fyron, but if we want to make a star trek universe SEIV game we should include intel.

Sparhawk

[ March 05, 2003, 06:19: Message edited by: sparhawk ]

[Fyron]

You just hit on the broken "all or nothing" behavior of intel in SE4. Regardless of this being a pseudo-RP game, intel is still not a good thing to have enabled.

But for this game its something else: we are encourage to roleplay our race and because of this all arguments against it are invalid.

Umm...... no. RP or not, my arguments are still perfectly valid for this game.

Like Geoschmo is saying, if you want to play the races of star trek the right way, then you have to include intel. If you like it or not.

There are plenty of options that are not related to intel for you to explore in your RP.

So Sorry Fyron, but if we want to make a star trek universe SEIV game we should include intel.

No, we do not have to have intel to make it a star trek universe. There is no ST equivalent to a lot of the intel projects in SE4. You can't really justify them in that manner.

We already have Stellar Manipulation disabled. There is some ST basis for some of the Stellar Manipulations, but that tech was still disabled. So, you can't hardly use the fact that there is a little espionage in ST to argue for the inclusion of intel in this game and maintain any sort of consistency.

[tesco samoa]

Umm... Whats the game called

[tesco samoa]

Hmm found it.

It was not showing up on the open games list.....

[geoschmo]

So, any thought about using a random map with common starting points as opposed to a strictly random map? Would be nice if we could have a little breathing room to get our empires established before the bloodshed starts.

Also, here's how I plan on playing the Borg. They will view all of you ultimatly as either targets for assimilation, or obstacles to erradicate. But hey, truth be told that's how you are all gonna view each other too since the object is to win the game.

But that doesn't mean I won't make treaties. The Borg have been known to make temporary alliances when faced with what they deem to be a greater threat. A lot will depend on how strong your race appears to be to the Borg. The Borg are not suicidal as a race. They tend to pick on the weaker races and those without strong allies to defend them.

But just as they will make treaties when it suits them, they will not hesitate to break those treaties and attempt to assimilate you if they feel the need for the treaty has passed. This is not personal, it's just them being the Borg.

Loyalty and honor are irrelevant. The only question is whether a potential ally can be of benefit to the Borg as an ally more than they can as an adversary.

Conversly you may find having the Borg as an ally will benefit you if you are being threatened by a race that the Borg seeks to assimilate. But the Borg do not "care" whether they are an asset to you, only what you can do for them. Again, nothing personal.

Emotional arguments will have no value to the Borg. Requests for assistance will be ignored or rejected unless you can demonstrate to the Borg that giving this assistance will somehow benefit the Collective. But if you can demonstrate to the Borg that they will benefit by working towards your goals, they will throw all their effort into the objective.

If all of you band togehter and make it your goal to erradicate the Borg as soon as you find them, it's gonna make my time in the game very short. But that's ok, that's kind of why I picked them.

Geoschmo

[ March 05, 2003, 18:50: Message edited by: geoschmo ]