Mictlan Pretenders ideas request

[Nagot Gick Fel]

archaeolept said:
again, one may not have water 3 on one's pretender. the thread is about mictlan pretenders, not solely those w/ water 3 ;p - the point replied to was "why one would ever go to construction 6".

Well, I read this subthread slightly differently - to me it went like this

archaeolept said:

if you didn't put water 3 on your pretender

...which was obviously implied since the beginning.

certainly when I spoke about going to construction 6 I was not considering myself to have taken Water-3 . Taking water 3 and forging a robe is plausible, in certain circumstances, of course (like a water dragon).

OK, then we never were on the same wavelength - and I'll agree with you on that - Mictlan definitelty needs Construction 6 before starting to summon Ice Devils without water magic on its pretender. Question closed.

side note: I don't think "gosses" is much in vogue as an offensive slang term. you might get a smile though

I never implied it was offensive. In mainland France, "gosses" just means "kids", and I've been told by friends who went to Québec (and made the mistake I related) it was used for something completely different here. When you say "Let me show you a photo of my kids" and they understand "let me show you a photo of my ..." (well something Tarzan has a pair of, and Jane hasn't), it's still somewhat... embarassing.

[archaeolept]

heh

might as well rush construction 6

implies an alternate line of action, not dependent upon putting W3 on your pretender

I prefer an F9 blessing for mictlan. It gives a bit more punch, and the benefits to your SC are definitely greater. However, it does tend to preclude the ID rush, at least if you go for a dragon. The Golden Naga in zen's mod is a nice choice for all things though... (F9 W3 A3 E3 B1 should be possible, or close to it, w/ correspondingly ****ty scales. But mictlan can survive ****ty scales, so..)


i think "sales gosses" is even more evocative ;-)

[Nagot Gick Fel]

archaeolept said:
implies an alternate line of action, not dependent upon putting W3 on your pretender

You never give up, do you? OK, this round is yours. [img]/threads/images/Graemlins/ArrowRight.gif[/img]

I prefer an F9 blessing for mictlan.

So do I, actually.

i think "sales gosses" is even more evocative ;-)

Well, at least mine aren't. I go to the "douche" every morning.

[archaeolept]

heh

back to the actualy topic, in un-modded DomII, I think my overall preference is to the Moloch, and I was wondering how others' experiences w/ him were. True, you have to put a bit of work getting around his love of fleeing, but besides that he fits the bill perfectly for me.

I put air on him, but certainly putting water on him instead seems a plausible alternative, especially if you wait to throw a ring of regen on him.

[Peter Ebbesen]

Err. tried this in one MP game as a thematic Mictlan pretender, and it turned out quite well in the long run, though it was (in retrospect) a very risky proposition as it relied on being able to expand far away from my capital to have somewhere to put my researchers and on construction to enable a Rain Priest to summon Ice Devils, which, of course, took longer time due to low initial research, which means I would have lost out in an Ice Devil rush (which did not happen in that game). It did give me a very powerful SC throughout the game and a super ritual caster, and the bless effects (though minor) were well thought of by every single Priest-Mage. Having tried it, I am not sure I would dare use such a setup in MP again as the number of things that can go wrong are large. However, when it works...

Lord of the Night
Dominion 7
Air 3
Earth 4
Astral 6
Death 4
Blood 5

Order 3
Production -3
Heat 3
Growth 1
Fortune -2
Magic -3
Mausoleum

On heat: Income takes a hit but devils like it
On magic: Research as far away from your starting point as possible and/or next to somebody with a magic scale. The best you can get is a "0" effect but that is quite enough if you buy enough of Michtlan's priests. It is also nice to get MR bonuses back home where important mages make rituals.

[PDF]

Whooh, thanks for all your valuable input !
(though it's sometimes a bit lengthy ... Nagot should be a novelist, what about writing "Dominions War & Peace" ? )

On my side I was thinking of a stupid Blood Fountain like B6 A4 S4 (Bloodhunt, Storm Demons & WS, Hellbind,high Blood and Astral rituals...),
Scales O3/S3/H2/G2/L2/M3,
Dom6,
WatchTower
but it's surely very poor in early game, and early game is difficult for Mictlan

[Nagot Gick Fel]

PDF said:
what about writing "Dominions War & Peace" ? )

"Dominions Wake" would be more my style... although the result probably would be a weird piece of litterature!

Scales O3/S3/H2/G2/L2/M3,

Why Heat 2 when you can afford Heat 1?

[Foom]

Nagot Gick Fel said:

Ah, that's my first encounter with this word, "binouse". Maybe I should check if I'm not allergic to this kind of beverage before I accept your offer?

Hmm.. either you're making fun of me, or I'm forgetting the only useful words I've ever learned in the French language

PDF said:
On my side I was thinking of a stupid Blood Fountain like B6 A4 S4 (Bloodhunt, Storm Demons & WS, Hellbind,high Blood and Astral rituals...),
Scales O3/S3/H2/G2/L2/M3,
Dom6,
WatchTower
but it's surely very poor in early game, and early game is difficult for Mictlan

It might work well on low independent settings. I guess it also depends on whether you're using Zen's pretender mod. I like the new fountain since it gives free blood slaves each turn, but that's probably more valuable to, say, Diabolic Faith Marignon than Mictlan.

[Nagot Gick Fel]

Foom said:
Hmm.. either you're making fun of me, or I'm forgetting the only useful words I've ever learned in the French language

I'm not making fun of you, it's just "binouse" seems to be used in parts of France and not in others, and I had never seen or heard it before. Now that I've learned what it means... could I have another binouse please?

[PDF]

In 40 years spent in France I've never heard of a "binouse", surely it's a local word/idiom ...
About Heat2 : Nagot, I just follow your advice of taking one more scale point that preferred by the nation, so overall the provinces will more tend to desired Heat-1 [img]/threads/images/Graemlins/Cold.gif[/img] Did you forget it ?