Evermore - MegaGame - Winner: AdmiralZhao! - Page 5

Zaramis · #41 August 30th, 2007, 11:05 PM

To me, I see different victory conditions as a way for players with different playstyles to be able to win it. If someone is turtling it out, people would have to stop him, too. It requires more monitoring and spying than a normal "get as many provinces as possible" game. Also, it gives a strong nation a chance to win by thinking in a new and creative way. It's like the different victory conditions in the Civilization games.

Velusion · #42 August 30th, 2007, 11:39 PM

Szumo - the map does look cool - but I'm looking for a randomly generated one with the types of lands spread out (imagine starting in the middle of the sahara)

Hadrian_II · #43 August 31st, 2007, 05:09 AM

I hope the new megagame will not have some arbitrary victory conditions or that it will end at an defined turn. As perpetuality is now beginning to get really interesting, and for example a research condition would be met long ago.

Also i dont think that players would attack people coming close to an research victory, just look like noone is doing something about ermor in perpetuality.

EarthRaver · #44 August 31st, 2007, 03:07 PM

whats a placeholder?

Velusion · #45 August 31st, 2007, 03:54 PM

The game will only have provinces for victory conditions. The question is the time frame in turns before we call the game and the method of valuing the provinces (average how many turns? Just take the last turn?).

I'm 90% sure there is going to be some sort of turn limit. It isn't really feasible in this size game to expect a natural consensus winner in any reasonable time frame.

I'm pretty sure players in Perpetually will simply lose interest eventually as the micromanagement gets outrageous (I know I probably will). Having a turn in mind to shoot for gives players a light at the end of the tunnel and might pull in some players that have passed on Perp because they feel the end game will be never ending (and I tend to agree with them).

While I understand that placing an artifical turn limit might change the game a bit, if it is between that and the game never ending, I'll take the former. Also no one has made it clear to me WHY it's a bad thing. How does it really change the game so much? What will players be doing differently if the game ends on turn 125 and the victory condition is an average of the province count of the last 25 turns?

Also - I can leave the game up for as long players want to play. If people want to keep playing - they can feel free.

Evilhomer · #46 August 31st, 2007, 04:02 PM

Im more interested in how we will pick nations in this game =)

Velusion · #47 August 31st, 2007, 04:14 PM

I'm debating having an auction where nations are bid on using population points from their capital if enough people are interested.

Xietor · #48 August 31st, 2007, 04:16 PM

You only get tired of long games if you micromanage. If you micromanage, you deserve the fate of boredom.

I will say 100 percent accurately, and Gandalf can verify it by looking at my turn file, I do not have any blood slave action going on, and have not made 1 gem producing item.

Yes, gandalf, I am truly a blitz player, specializing in winning battles, with little thought to the hammer i know that is coming in terms of game ending spells. I am relying on the micromanagers to cancel each other out.

If you micromanage-that is your problem. My turns in the Big Game do not take long, and they will never take too long.

So just because some do not have the stomach to finish a game, do not let punish the rest of us. If the rest get bored in the big game and forfeit to me, then i will wear my crown proudly, knowing a battle strategy specialist can beat micromanagers even on the big maps.

Btw Velusion, if you are bored start sending me your gems now. Despite being a blitz guy, i know what to do with gems!

Baalz · #49 August 31st, 2007, 04:19 PM

What we should do is have everyone who wrote a guide play that nation. So I'd get Mictlan, Velusion would get LA Ermor, Evilhomer would get R'yleh, er....

Hmmm, I think that what we did last time worked out as intended. With one notable exception pretty much all the nations currently strongest in Perpetuality got no population bonus (were first round draft picks), so in hindsight it seems like that was a good idea to try and boost the less popular picks with more population. An auction sounds like fun, you could better shop for which nation was "cheapest" and undervalued in your opinion.

Velusion · #50 August 31st, 2007, 04:28 PM

Quote:

Xietor said:
If you micromanage-that is your problem. My turns in the Big Game do not take long, and they will never take too long.

Micromanging is, however, required to be competitive in the large late games. Once a nation gets large enough a player who squeaks out every advantage out of their turn will do better than someone who breezes though and doesn't optimize. Unfortunately Dom3 pretty much insists that you micromanage your large empires to be competitive.