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[Loser]

As in any act of speculation, the speculator must consider that there may be something else happening that s/he does not understand.

Not that you should leave it alone, go ahead and poke at it. Hypothesize, experiment, publish, play with wooden blocks!

There are some things in this reality that we have only a limited ability to perceive. The studies of history, psychoanalysis (and psychology to a lesser degree), and astrophysics require some amount of assumption and intuition. Someday maybe we'll be able to clearly perceive and test with all three. Someday maybe we'll cure halitosis. And someday I might find a girl who is both fun and a suitable wife/mother-of-my-children. But for now we're just doing what we can (which isn't so bad: humans kick aft!).

[Jack Simth]

Originally posted by Suicide Junkie:
Gravity is not the only force out there, so if gravity is off, and mass is off to compensate, you'll also have to adjust just the speed of light (E=MC^2), the electromagnetic, weak and strong nuclear forces, etc because the mass of nucleons has all changed.

Interesting - how did you jump from the mass of stars perhaps being other than what people think it is to the mass of the particles perhaps being different?

Originally posted by Suicide Junkie:

Is that really what you meant to imply?

Strange - This started when I said G is constant on earth; people stated that G is constant everywhere as an absolute fact, and I replied that we can't be certain of that, as we have only been measuring for a short time on Earth; that the possibility can't be ruled out that it is different elsewhere. I have always indicated that G is probably constant elswhere each time I reply; however, there have been arguments in the past which suggest that G has changed such as the one connected to this abstract.

Originally posted by Suicide Junkie:

I am not a physicist, but I suspect you'd be hard pressed to find a stable universe with different constants and still have anything close to the same observations made.

Actually, all figures on such things make references to changes of particular magnitudes; less than that, and no compensation is necessary for a stable universe.

[ June 11, 2003, 03:42: Message edited by: Jack Simth ]

[Me Loonn]

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