MP: New Noob Game/Inexperienced. EA - NOOBAPHOBIA Filled

[Szumo]

Provinces with crown icon are worth Victory Points. This doesn't matter all with default victory conditions.

Btw, C'tis would like to buy a few Owl Quills in the first year. Contact me if you're willing to forge them.

[Flop]

Cool, thanks.

[Flop]

It seems Sauromatia is having a pretty rough start. Were you hit by a bad event?

I was wondering if anyone would be interested in comparing notes, at this point, in the interest of all of us learning something (since it's a noob game)? I'm only talking about public information which can be gleaned from the statistics screens, not giving anything away.

[Szumo]

Sure Conclusions i see from the scores so far:
* Sauromatia got hit by a barbarian attack or something like that on first turn. Propably means high misfortune scales and a lot of bad luck
* C'tis (me), Yomi and Helheim have awake pretenders. If others also have awake pretenders, they propably don't have magic as only us 2 researched on the first turn.
(Both mine and Helheim's gods are fighting ones, as can be seen in Hall of Fame).
* After turn 2, everyone except me and Sauromatia took 1 province. Only I took 2. This and the research chart suggests Yomi's pretender is not a fighting one, at least without researching spells or forging equipment.
* Hall of Fame shows I've got the mercs. Someone propably should have bidded higher
* Helheim has high dominion score and awake pretender. Pity their neighbours
* Ulm and Mictlan took above average losses attacking last turn.
* Ulm and Fomoria were overtaxing/patrolling first turn.
* Ermor has good scales (high income)

[mattyburn7]

Very insightful and probably 100% accurate. Thanks for the analysis. That is helpful!

[Flop]

Thanks. That's some good stuff. I've reached most of those conclusions myself, as well, although I disagree with some:

I'd say that besides Ulm and Fomoria, Helheim and Yomi were also overtaxing/patrolling first turn. Since Ermor has a very high stable income, I'm guessing he has at least +3 order, and probably production and growth scales, as well.

I agree that C'tis and Yomi must have awake pretenders. Furthermore, since C'tis took 2 provinces on turn 3, I'm guessing he has a combat pretender (that's not certain, though, and if he does, it's likely that it's still too vulnerable for him to risk it on a blind attack). Furthermore, going by the dominion increases, I thnk that Ermor, Helheim, Hinnom and possibly Ulm, have awake pretenders. I'd like to hear your reasoning for saying Helheim, though.

Looking at Ulm's available researchers, I think that he has 3 magic scales. Doing the same with Sauromatia and Hinnom, I'm thinking 0 magic scales for them (might be wrong about Hinnom).

I had some ideas about Yomi's pretender, based on the research, but I'm not sure how research bonuses from magic paths work. Is it just +1 research for each point in any path, or what?

[Szumo]

About research: Yes, AFAIK it's base value (based on unit type) + 1 per each magic path point.
Helheim's god is in Hall of Fame - that's as obvious hint as it gets
Magic +3 for Ulm sounds risky, as their troops have low MR. Could be a weakness if it's true.

[Flop]

Originally Posted by Szumo

Helheim's god is in Hall of Fame - that's as obvious hint as it gets

Ha! I missed that, but yeah, that's a good hint.

Magic +3 for Ulm sounds risky, as their troops have low MR. Could be a weakness if it's true.

Actually, since any magic path gives +1 research, it's more likely that they only have 1 magic scale, since that would give them a 50% chance of getting the 8 research they currently have, on the best researcher they can recruit. I guess my other magic scales notes should be taken with a grain of salt.

[Torgon]

Originally Posted by Szumo

Sure Conclusions i see from the scores so far:
* Sauromatia got hit by a barbarian attack or something like that on first turn. Propably means high misfortune scales and a lot of bad luck
* C'tis (me), Yomi and Helheim have awake pretenders. If others also have awake pretenders, they propably don't have magic as only us 2 researched on the first turn.
(Both mine and Helheim's gods are fighting ones, as can be seen in Hall of Fame).
* After turn 2, everyone except me and Sauromatia took 1 province. Only I took 2. This and the research chart suggests Yomi's pretender is not a fighting one, at least without researching spells or forging equipment.
* Hall of Fame shows I've got the mercs. Someone propably should have bidded higher
* Helheim has high dominion score and awake pretender. Pity their neighbours
* Ulm and Mictlan took above average losses attacking last turn.
* Ulm and Fomoria were overtaxing/patrolling first turn.
* Ermor has good scales (high income)

Me thinks Szumo is not so new to this game. Also Szumo has just successfully attacked my capital with his pretender. Surprise attack while we were negotiating a trade (I offered to forge him some owl quils).

It is a Manticore with A6. I'm probably going down, but I'm going to remain in the game as long as possible. Before I go down, I will give all the gems and gold I have saved to the person who makes his life the most miserable.

I am in province 74. He has 92 and 82 with capital most likely in 99.

[Szumo]

Originally Posted by Torgon

Me thinks Szumo is not so new to this game. Also Szumo has just successfully attacked my capital with his pretender. Surprise attack while we were negotiating a trade (I offered to forge him some owl quils).

It is a Manticore with A6. I'm probably going down, but I'm going to remain in the game as long as possible. Before I go down, I will give all the gems and gold I have saved to the person who makes his life the most miserable.

I am in province 74. He has 92 and 82 with capital most likely in 99.

I've finished 5 dom3 multiplayer games some years ago, none of them with current generation of CBM, then had a long break playing. Hardly makes me a veteran - and I did ask for mattyburn7 for definition of inexpierenced MP player, which i believe i fit.

I understand you're frustrated - I wasn't happy when i found out there are just 2 provinces between our capitals, as I would rather conquer more neutral provinces before starting an early war which is a big risk, but we're simply too close.

I do not apprieciate your attempt to damage my reputation by implying that I somehow attacked you dishonourably. You contacted me asking what i was willing to offer for the owl quills, i replied, and that's all - and it happened _before we even met_! After we met, i decided further talks were pointless. I did not in any way promise, suggest or imply that I would not attack you.

You have every right to fight back as hard as you can, including asking for help, offering intel/gems/whatever, but right now your pleas come off a bit like desperate whining , while your situation is not IMO desperate. I'd suggest you try to keep your dignity.

And to the rest: C'tis is willing to forge friendly relationships with other of it's neighbours (assuming they're not that close ), however anyone helping Fomoria will be dealt with harshly