OT: Season 3 BSG

[geoschmo]

AMF said:
I'm sorry, I've only just now seen the episode, and only just once, but I don't recall seeing roslin in the graduation ceremony at all. There was a group of humanoid-cylons, and all the graduates, but neither Baltar nor Roslin were there....or did I miss something entirely? I mean, Roslin is back at the school in the scene just prior wasn't she...?

Before I answer, was the season premier in your location a two hour episode, or just one hour? If it was only one hour then don't read the rest of this...

MORE SPOILERS




I wasn't talking about the police academy bombing. At the end of the second hour the Cylons decide to get tougher and cart off a bunch of humans to the outside of town and line them up apparently for a mass execution. The show ends without actually showing the people getting blown away, but you hear the gunfire and the inference is obvious that Roslin, Zarek and a bunch of others are done for.

My own guess is that the human police recruits have a last second crisis of concience and decide to fight it out, and that's the gunfire we hear. But we won't really know until next week. But the previews make it clear at least that Roslin lives.

[geoschmo]

Tim_Ward said:
Doubt that. Almost all the reaction I've seen to the new season has been overwhelmingly postively. This is the only forum I've seen where the reaction has been mostly negative.

Oh, I wouldn't say this forum is mostly negative. That's just how AT is. You got to love him, but I can't recall off the top of my head hearing him express an positive opinion about much that has hit the airwaves in the last couple decades.

[Atrocities]

If being honest about what you think is being negative, well then I guess I am negative. I like the show, however I just don't like the sudden shift that the series took and the lack luster way in which they transitioned from the old story line to the new one. I felt that could have been done a hell of a lot better than the rushed haphazard way it was done.

Most of what I have read on other forums supports my POV. While people like the show, there is a strong sense of confusion about the direction the plot has taken. BSG is fundamentally about human survival in the face of horrifying odds. To that end they have an auidance that will watch. But BSG is more than survival, its about the hope of humanity and the exploration of survival. Remember life here began out there, and it was those words that defined the journey for which BSG embarked upon. I hope, I sincerely do, that the producers of BSG haven't forgotten that. They have 18 more episodes to take the show where its going. I, for good or bad, hope to be along for the ride. I am sorry if that is a negative view, but its an honest one.

[Xrati]

They are on a quest to find Earth. The sooner they get back to that quest, the better the show should become.

[mrscrogg]

I think you have to let the story line develop - you can't blow your load in the first 10 minutes ! You see the benelovent cylons become the enslaving monsters they are , the growth of the next step in cylon evelution in Sharron the laskity of the military even before they were attacked by the cylons , the vicious side of Tigh , all new stuff . let it work

[Captain Kwok]

I think they need to introduce more flying motorcycles into the current series - and perhaps kids with extraordinary strengths and abilities.

[Caduceus]

MasterChiToes said:
Well from a strictly turn based strategy point of view, the humans aren't managing their game very well. Heck, just one colony with no space yards nor research facilities... no wonder the AI is kicking their butts.

Congrats on scoring the quote of the week, MasterChiToes.

This harkens back to my wife reading a comment on the Veronica Mars show where a character came out of a coma and the reader stated their first thought was "She's a Cylon."

[Wade]

geoschmo said:

My own guess is that the human police recruits have a last second crisis of concience and decide to fight it out, and that's the gunfire we hear. But we won't really know until next week. But the previews make it clear at least that Roslin lives.

I think that the Mechanicals that appear to execute the Humans actually will shoot the Organics.

[Hugh Manatee]

Atrocities said:
If being honest about what you think is being negative, well then I guess I am negative. I like the show, however I just don't like the sudden shift that the series took and the lack luster way in which they transitioned from the old story line to the new one. I felt that could have been done a hell of a lot better than the rushed haphazard way it was done.

Most of what I have read on other forums supports my POV. While people like the show, there is a strong sense of confusion about the direction the plot has taken. BSG is fundamentally about human survival in the face of horrifying odds. To that end they have an auidance that will watch. But BSG is more than survival, its about the hope of humanity and the exploration of survival. Remember life here began out there, and it was those words that defined the journey for which BSG embarked upon. I hope, I sincerely do, that the producers of BSG haven't forgotten that. They have 18 more episodes to take the show where its going. I, for good or bad, hope to be along for the ride. I am sorry if that is a negative view, but its an honest one.

Spoilers

I don't think it was "rushed" per say, just summarized. I think it would have been boring to watch the stuff between the elextion and explosion to the "present". If they didn't do this story line shift now, A: Baltar would still be a "good guy" to the fleet. He's a villan, he needs to be put in a scenario where he can eff up soooo bad in in such public that he will be an even biger pariah then in the first series. He'll become the collaborator who everyone openly hates who made a genuine "Folly", a 40 years in the desert interuption on their quest for earth so to speak and gives the series more to do then just hop from planet to planet encountering viking rebels and cylon base of the week. Remember, the closer they actually get to earth, the more the origanal sucked, the fewer options the writers then had, I say let them take this time to tell some interesting war stories.

B: They could just keep wandering in space finding sub colonies of the original 12 who were viking helmets or playing that pyrimid game for grain seed and finding all white demi god aliens in space and such, finding artifacts that lead them along to earth, but thats what got boring and stupid about the original, and voyager for that matter, it's like Gilligan's Island in space you can only pull so much cheesey "sci-fi" gimmicky crap and "villan of the day/week/season" before it gets old. You need to keep the characters evolving(even if they shift from good to evil and back again) and the story fresh and interesting.

C: In this situation, totally dominated by the cylons, the human simpathizing models getting capped for expressing their beliefs, humans turning on humans putting their hope in the lies of the machines, this sets up a really dark, dour pitch black night which actually challenges the viewing audience to find hope where you can get it, to hang in there wit these characters instead of just handing you the happy ending like a post masage BJ. Good boomer is on the planet, cally got away from the death squad, adamma is comming to the rescue, lee is taking the fleet to search for earth, baltar is falling apart, and we are rooting for the resistance terrorist cell. It's like lima beans, it's good, but not easy to like.

The only thing I can't really get my head around is what the cylons are up to. It seems that the preacher models did a 180 from their last conversation in the brig, now advocating the annihilation where they once admitted the mistake. Why chase the Humans to the planet, occupy it and do what they are doing, even if it was the "good" #6's and boomers idea to go there to try and reintegrate somehow you'd think they would have had a better plan then occupation. I think it must be some sort of descision by whatever the commanding cylon is, a compromise between going there to annihillate them and the reintegration. We need to see more of them then just bullying Baltar.

Edit: also I'm notn sure I see all these plotholes people are discussing, Kara has been separated from her lover, subjected to some sort of forced corting by a man she's murdered 6 times, and now they reveal a halfie child, she's getting stolkholmes, even the toughest nut can crack under pressure like that. Boomer has always had a soft spot for the humans, why wouldn't "good" boomer be able to patch things up with adama in the space of a year(remember the cylons stopped pursuing for that time, this ability to forgive and forget shows adama's character's strength). Lee is command staff now instead of a fighter pilot, he doesn't need to be in peak physical condition, and they basically said point blank, he, and the fleet, got soft. Holes covered.

[AMF]

geoschmo said:
Before I answer, was the season premier in your location a two hour episode, or just one hour? If it was only one hour then don't read the rest of this...

Ah hah! I only got a one hour show. I'll look for the next hour. And yes, I didn't read your spoilers. yay!