How do you fight the Niefel giants?

[Nikelaos]

fear won't work most of the time, nature bless gives beserk.

iron bane sounds a good idea and it should counter an earth bless, life drain would have it's work cut out especially with a nature bless though, i think a barbarian spam + iron bane would be a good idea, also how about sleep cloud beat em at their own game of fatigue, just make sure you have some chaff to hold em back - markatas and hoburgs anyone?

[MaxWilson]

If they're N9 berserkers they're taking extra fatigue and are no longer 0-enc w/ an E9 bless. (Plus, Niefel Jarls will have to wait till they're done buffing to bless, or else you can just hit them with a flyer to berserk them.) The high regen makes Drain Life less viable against them without large numbers of casters, but the increased fatigue (2 per turn) makes them more vulnerable to skelly spam/mechanical men.

So, as Helheim, I suspect you'd be raiding behind his lines (cranking up taxes) to weaken his economy, and if he heads for your capital you'd empty the library and smash his E9N9 Niefel Giants with your researchers. You don't have to win *every* pitched battle, you just need to be able to stop him from walking all over you. Sounds like a fun game.

-Max

[Omnirizon]

sometimes desperation attacks work

[Lingchih]

Niefel Jarls? You Petrify them. Simple as that. Takes a while to get to Petrify though, and not everyone can do it.

[HoneyBadger]

Which gives a fine reason for Niefelheim to recruit elephants

[chrispedersen]

Originally Posted by Lingchih

Niefel Jarls? You Petrify them. Simple as that. Takes a while to get to Petrify though, and not everyone can do it.

Petrify isn't actually fool proof. Couple of Niefles with hp in the 240 range - even if you petrify em, they regen faster than you can damage em.

[Lingchih]

Umm, excuse me? If you petrify them, they turn into stone... ergo, they don't regen anymore... they are dead.

Had it done to me in an MP game. Very nasty.

[Alderanas]

you guys should try a game with niefel fomoria abysia hinnom pangaea sauromatia agartha tir na og and caelum I have one goin on right now and it is a mess even in single player.

[chrispedersen]

Originally Posted by Lingchih

Umm, excuse me? If you petrify them, they turn into stone... ergo, they don't regen anymore... they are dead.

Had it done to me in an MP game. Very nasty.

Sorry! Read petrify, thought paralyze.

Petrify could work on anyone - but niefles generally have a solid MR.

[Lingchih]

Originally Posted by chrispedersen

Sorry! Read petrify, thought paralyze.

Petrify could work on anyone - but niefles generally have a solid MR.

Umm. I'm tired, and this post is tough. Just send about six Petrify mages with gems against Niefel. It's sad for Niefel.