OT:Why Aliens dont come here

[Fyron]

Religion has no place in government. Period. Religion in government will _always_ lead to unfair treatment of those that are not of that religion, and favoritism for those that are of that religion. It is why the US was supposed to have a complete and total separation of church and state...

See the link that Brianeyci posted. Hitler was a Catholic, not an occultist...

Religion is not required for morality. Assuming that it is just plain wrong. Atheism is not immoral. Atheists are not immoral. Religious people are not moral. Some people are both religious and moral, certainly, but there are plenty that are religious and immoral. There really is no correlation between morality and piety.

[Starhawk]

Your right about the fact that government and religion have no place together.

Uhm okay then how come every history show I've ever seen and book I've ever read said he was deep into the occult? And how come he Banned religion then? you can't be a catholic in a state where religion is Banned.

Yes but religion is not the cause of all the world's wars and crap.

[Fyron]

Hitler did not ban religion... Pure revisionism. Read the link that Brianeyci posted.

http://www.creationtheory.org/Morality/Hitler.shtml

Yes but religion is not the cause of all the world's wars and crap.

Nobody said that. It is one of the common causes, not the sole cause, or always a cause.

[narf poit chez BOOM]

Direct qoute from that site.

When confronted by the fact that Hitler's example hardly helps in their slander campaign against atheists,
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I am not trying to slander atheists, I'm trying to stop people from slandering religeons. Nice 'interpretation' of the motives of >EVERY< religeos person who argues against you [qoute]
some anti-atheists suddenly switch gears to Marxism and point out that Marxism is atheistic, in an obvious attempt to tie atheism to past and present human rights abuses in Russia and China. However, that is a logical fallacy: the fact that all Marxists are atheists does not mean that all atheists must therefore be Marxists (if you don't understand why that's a fallacy, go back to school). It's also an unnecessary slander against Marxists. [/qoute] Ok, I've read this three times and I don't have a clue what he's saying. Of course all atheists are not marxists. And I doubt everybody who says the're a marxist is an athiest, either. What's the guys point? [qoute]
While I find Marx's communist ideas to be very seriously flawed, I must note that he never would have approved of the violent regimes of Stalin or Mao. Atheism is merely the refusal to believe in a God for whom no scientific evidence exists. It does not necessarily lead to Stalinism, or decadence, or the breakdown of family values, or any of these other ridiculous charges that are routinely levied at it.

Religeon is merely a system of belief in some sort of higher power, because of personal choice and sometimes personal evidence, even if there is no demonstratable, scientific evidence. It does not necessarily lead to totoleranism, or mass-murder, or the breakdown of rationality, or any of these other ridiculous charges that are routinely levied at it.

[narf poit chez BOOM]

Imperator Fyron said:
Hitler did not ban religion... Pure revisionism. Read the link that Brianeyci posted.

http://www.creationtheory.org/Morality/Hitler.shtml

Nobody said that. It is one of the common causes, not the sole cause, or always a cause.

Blanket solutions annoy and alarm me. I apologize if I've hurt anyone's feelings.

[Starhawk]

Imperator Fyron said:
Hitler did not ban religion... Pure revisionism. Read the link that Brianeyci posted.

http://www.creationtheory.org/Morality/Hitler.shtml

Nobody said that. It is one of the common causes, not the sole cause, or always a cause.

Ahem a problem I spotted right off is that the "school children" of 1930s germany couldn't have grown up to be the SS of WWII as most would have been younger then 18.
Oh and the fact that there were actually TWO branches of

"The term "Waffen SS" did not come into use until after the beginning of the war. Up to that time there were two branches of the SS composed of full-time, professional, well- trained soldiers: the so-called SS Verfuegungstruppe, translatable perhaps as "SS Emergency Troops"; and the SS Totenkopf Verbaende, the "Death Head Units." After the beginning of the war, the units of the SS Verfuegungstruppe were brought up to division strength, and new divisions were added to them. Moreover, parts of the SS Death Head Units were formed into a division, the SS Totenkopf Division. All these divisions then came to be known collectively as the "Waffen SS". "

Many of which were drafted from nations other then Germany, a great many of the others were prisoners or "idealists" who liked the handsom SS uniforms that made young girls swoon instead of the normal German army grunts.


As to Hitler and religion look here:
http://64.233.161.104/search?q=Cache:v5Rb7oIFGxwJstitutionalistnc.tr ipod.com/hitler-leftist/id13.html+%27The+religion+of+the+Nazi+party"&hl=en
as well as some other interesting stuff.

Your link sounds like it is desperately trying to turn about the common belief that Hitler and the Nazi's were occultist in their views to make people beleive that it was Religion's fault so I don't much take that one guy's article over so many history books and shows I've watched and read.

[brianeyci]

narf poit chez BOOM said:
Religeon is merely a system of belief in some sort of higher power, because of personal choice and sometimes personal evidence, even if there is no demonstratable, scientific evidence. It does not necessarily lead to totoleranism, or mass-murder, or the breakdown of rationality, or any of these other ridiculous charges that are routinely levied at it.

That's what I thought too until I read this (also from the guy that made that website, I'm sure he won't mind if I quote him),

Theological monotheistic religion, based on the recorded revelations of long-dead "prophets", is the worst thing that has ever happened to mankind. It has a natural tendency toward intolerance (someone who believes in a different god must, by definition, by denying the truth of my monotheism, so there is a conflict that would not exist if I was polytheistic), and it resists progress in all its forms by making ancient writings the ultimate and immutable authority.

In essence, scriptural religions are plagued not only with human flaws, but the human flaws of primitive humans from thousands of years ago.

The message is from http://bbs2.stardestroyer.net/Archiv...r=asc&start=50 . If you want to debate him on that point, go there, I'm not him. But after reading his stuff I do agree with a lot of what he says, and his forum is an incredibly intelligent and eye-opening community.

<edit> It should be noted that his forum isn't a kiddie forum. What I mean by that is that if you are a moron (as I was and still consider myself am, although I'm trying my best to beef up), you'll be quickly exposed and mocked per the forum's policy. That's what I mean by eye-opening -- I needed an eye-opener or I would have been a moron my whole life. Swearing, and even porn links. But as he said (I'm paraphrasing here), better to sacrifice civility than promote stupidity. </edit>

Brian

[Renegade 13]

I'm not exactly sure how this conversation on why aliens don't come here devolved into one about religion....

To bring it a little bit more on topic, I'll just say that pointless debates such as these are the reason why aliens don't contact us. Why the hell would they want to talk to a people who are so fragmented, and so vehement in their beliefs, and unwilling to change their opinion unless directly confronted with massive proof that contradicts what they believe?? Hmmmm, yes, very difficult indeed to understand why aliens don't want to come here....we probably have a big note attached to the file of humanity in some alien's database: "Caution: Do not approach. Dangerous animals."

[Starhawk]

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Theological monotheistic religion, based on the recorded revelations of long-dead "prophets", is the worst thing that has ever happened to mankind. It has a natural tendency toward intolerance (someone who believes in a different god must, by definition, by denying the truth of my monotheism, so there is a conflict that would not exist if I was polytheistic), and it resists progress in all its forms by making ancient writings the ultimate and immutable authority.

In essence, scriptural religions are plagued not only with human flaws, but the human flaws of primitive humans from thousands of years ago.


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Oh yeah he's a non-biased source of historical information (rolleyes) folks like him scare off aliens no doubt I mean what if the aliens are creationists? this jackass would make them sick no doubt.

Anyway I just think if there are aliens they really don't give a crap about us as a culture because we can't even prove they are there I think once we can prove they are there and pretty much smack em upside their grey heads they'll start talking but until then we just aren't that interesting.

[brianeyci]

Starhawk said:Oh yeah he's a non-biased source of historical information (rolleyes) folks like him scare off aliens no doubt I mean what if the aliens are creationists? this jackass would make them sick no doubt.

Well no. I was not quoting him to talk about aliens, but about religion in general. And better a "jackass" and offend some people than to hide behind a shield of civility I think. Anyway back on topic, I don't know how this thread turned into religion either.

My two cents on the aliens thing is one word -- Why? Why would aliens want to contact us? That's the most basic question, and every answer I can think of revolves around "they find us interesting" which is an incredibly self-centered and egocentric justification. Since I can't even answer the Why question, I don't think I can carry on the discussion further.

Brian