obat44 - West Germany

[narwan]

Actually, two out of the twelve HS brigades were at near full strength in peacetime and under operational control of the field army (one heavy brigade attached to the gebirgsdivision for example).
As to the rest, 2 were manned at 65% of wartime strength, 2 at 52% and the other 6 being equipment pools only and to be 'reconstituted' upon moblisation.

It is possible to create the HS on your own, but since they were an integral part of the german armed forces, (and no small part!) it would make sense IMO if these were to be included in the regular game's obat.

As to the SP-ATGM companies, it looks like the 'Gefechtsfeld 90' reorganisation has been retroactively (and incorrectly) applied in the game with regards to these companies. Under the old 'Army structure four' armor brigades would have a 9 unit cie and mechanized brigades a 12 unit cie, not the later 16 unit cie.

[Alpha]

do you have those documents on the comp ??


yep, the OOB in the game is quite incorrect...
i agree that HS should be in the game
but also LW and BGS troops ( at least the last 2
i added ) but i have lim. time ATM so i will add
the rest later when my camp is finished. or the
camo ppl. do it themselfes, who knows ?

[Mobhack]

West German OOB has already been fixed as I recall, and will not be changed again before the patch is issued.

If you think there need to be fixes that can be adressed after the patch, and also when you have all decided what exactly needs doing, as this thread is a load of partial fixes, opinions, corrections to opinions and so on. Impossible to really track what is needed or not, amongst the sub-threads etc !.

Eventually - I'll want a consolidated change list (in text file or Word or Excel or similar) detailing the needed changes, and the historical documentation/reference/justification for the change(s). (Modified OOBS are worthless as change request documentation as I have not got the time to pick item by item through an undocumented OOB file to see what changes were made. . And that will need to be based on the issue FRG OOB that comes with the patch.

Cheers
Andy

[Alpha]

yep, let´s wait for the patch ...

[narwan]

Hi Andy,

I agree completely with you. I did and do consider the current discussion here one of finding out if and which improvements could or should be made, not concrete suggestions (not yet anyway).

My sources are not online and of a secondairy nature so probably not enough to base big changes on. That's why I've been trying to find confirmation with others here.

Hopefully we'll be able to present you a consolidated change list. Let us do the work, you just check if we did it right!


Alpha,
the article I'm primairily using for reference to the bundeswehr organisation in the 80's is:
"The Bundeswehr, Its mission and its organisation"
by Major Hank Meyer and John Burtt
Appeared in 'Counterattack' issue 1

It's very detailed and well written and includes organisation schematics for Panzer brigades, Panzergrenadier brigades, Heimatschutzen brigade type 5 and Heimatschutzen brigade type 6 as under 'army structure 4'.
Unfortunately the articles does not list sources.
I've got some other articles that support this but nothing really 'solid'.

[Suurajatollah]

Hi again!

Thanks for the updated West Germany OOB. Some of things I pointed out were fixed. For example PzH2000 and troop quality of mountain troops. Plus many more. Now days PzH2000 is a real killer with its armor piercing ammo!

But since the game continues all the way to the year 2020 I wonder why any suspected future armor is not included. Best example is Puma. Earlier it was pointed out that it is hard to make an icon for it but is there also anything else? There are good drawings/scetchs of Puma out in the Net.
I don't know for sure if there are others future stuff coming on but some military pages are implying that yes. Anyone knows better?

[JaM]

I noticed that in west german OOB 120mm rheinmetall gun has accuracy 11.All US 120mm guns have acc 14. Maybe a typo?

[PlasmaKrab]

JaM said:
I noticed that in west german OOB 120mm rheinmetall gun has accuracy 11.All US 120mm guns have acc 14. Maybe a typo?

Remember all that fuss about the US tank guns being unaccountably less accurate than those Russian guns ?

That's why the M256 accuracy was finally shifted to 14 (though that doesn't seem to change much to the game eventually), it was still at 11 some months ago.

Probably there was no time to check out all the other Rh-120 derivates in the various OOBs (23 AFAIK) before the 2.5 release (I know I wouldn't have had time).

[JaM]

Yes, youre right,it is not a big problem, i just wanna have 200 posts, so i must something to post...

[PlasmaKrab]

Nearly there, keep trying!

I must say it would be fine to have that fixed indeed, but yes, that's no big deal.