Will Vanheim Ever Become Spayed?

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Graeme Dice said:

Trampling has an attack value of 10, which means that the chariot has to trample the Helhirding about 14 times to kill it as it will only ever be likely to get the failed trample damage of 1.

In my early era MP game, I kicked Vanheim butt with my Arco chariots. That trample does the 1 point to get rid of their glamour and then they are a lot easier to defeat.

[Jack_Trowell]

Graeme Dice said:

Trampling has an attack value of 10, which means that the chariot has to trample the Helhirding about 14 times to kill it as it will only ever be likely to get the failed trample damage of 1.

Yes but if I remind correctly how glamour works, the first damage done will remove the mirror image, and then you can start doing real damage by other means (archers, etc ...)

Note that even a lone chariot or two, if it get to attack first, can remove the mirror image from several units in one action, and then let the arrows fly ...

[Graeme Dice]

Jack_Trowell said:
Yes but if I remind correctly how glamour works, the first damage done will remove the mirror image, and then you can start doing real damage by other means (archers, etc ...)

They still have a defense of 24 with a W9 bless, so all you're doing is changing the to-hit chance for your attack 10 troops to about 1% from about 0.5%. Try it in a test game against yourself and you'll quickly see how hopelessly onesided the battles are.

Note that even a lone chariot or two, if it get to attack first, can remove the mirror image from several units in one action, and then let the arrows fly ...

So what about the plurality of nations that don't even have archers?

[Edi]

NTJedi said:Some nations should be much more powerful for SP games and MP games. The powerful nations are needed in MP because gamers new to Dominions_3 should be allowed to compete playing the strongest nations. And with SP gamers the stronger nations are needed to provide a greater challenge as the game becomes easier and easier.

Bull****. A newbie player who jumps into a big game with very experienced players will get what's coming and that's probably a sound stomping. At least he'll learn from it. The obvious solution is to play with people more in your own league until you get the hang of it before you try slugging it out against the big boys. My first MP was against a fairly experienced bunch of people and I actually managed to finish fourth out of eight, but that was due to a lot of things, luck as well. My second, I got stomped.

Lamest excuse ever for not tweaking something obviously too strong down a notch or two so that it will only be strong instead of ridiculously strong.

Edi

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Aseth said:

itz nat tu ard tu reed as u sink
english is my 3rd language, and if you want show your linguistic skills in Russian or Ukrainian, you always wellcome

English isn't my 1st language either, though at least we use Latin alphabet in France. But anyway the idea is to use english, so rather make it legible

Aseth said:
full positive dominion Pithium can capture about 2-3 neutral provinces in turn - but it`s not unbalanced to all, or it is unbalanced too?

Maybe my point was'nt correctly expressed, but it was that Vanheim has a much easier way to expand quickly than most other nations.

[Teraswaerto]

Aseth said:

itz nat tu ard tu reed as u sink
english is my 3rd language, and if you want show your linguistic skills in Russian or Ukrainian, you always wellcome

It doesn't take english skill to spell words like "you" right.

[Huzurdaddi]

Ok. All of you who are saying that Van with double bless is easy to take care of. Make a test game with Van getting stompped with Equal, x1.5, and x2 gold/resources.

And do not post Abysia, EA Giants. Good freaking luck.

NB: At x2 you will be able to do it, but good luck with x1.

Add to that all decent van units have glamour so it will be very hard to see them on the map.

I've posted my results for Nick. How about you stop flapping your virtual mouths and back it up with some action? I know none of you will. Not a single one.

[Dedas]

Blade wind (52+ attacks, evocation 4, earth3) may be a good way to deal with glamour troops, or maybe chariots - as someone already mentioned. Then you can send in your regular troops.

Make sure that the warriors you send in against the Vans have at least a defense of 13, this because none of the Vans have higher attack than 12. High protection is less good in an economic perspective as all the Vans are pretty strong and wield high damage weapons as broad swords and axes. Buy more agile (high defense troops) instead and try to keep the numbers up. If you have more troops than the Van player you will keep their defense down and make hits (see manual).

[Graeme Dice]

Dedas said:
Blade wind (52+ attacks, evocation 4, earth3) may be a good way to deal with glamour troops, or maybe chariots - as someone already mentioned.

Blade wind is evocation 4, so you won't have it researched till quite a long ways into the game. It also only does 14 damage, so it won't have much effect on troops with a protection of 12. I've seen two castings of blade wind cause a grand total of about 10 damage each when cast against an army of 60 Jotuns.

If you have more troops than the Van player you will keep their defense down and make hits (see manual).

I suggest trying an equal gold cost in C'Tisian elite warriors to see how this doesn't work very well in practice. Even with two attacks they very rarely ever hit.

[Dedas]

But the blade wind is only there to take care of the mirror images, and they only have 1hp. Or am I misunderstanding something?