Greenrow: noobs, slowpace -- game on

[Tifone]

Originally Posted by licker

http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=Greenrow

Still there for me...

Yep, for me too now. I was panicked bcuz for around 20 minutes the server said "there wasn't a game with that name" in the same page.

Originally Posted by solmyr

BTW, I'm planning to RP all the diplomacy through in-game message, too. It will be one turn delay, but it's really realistic.

Oh, it's ok for me too so forgive me if I sent you a forum pm before you said that

Btw I agree with covert treaties, i find them more fun and roleplay-friendly. Having to describe on the forum every little change of the relationship with neighbour and friends and enemies would be terribly boring, also

EDIT Sorry, almost double post, thought the old one wasn't posted and I can't edit them now no more.

[GrudgeBringer]

As far as 'Covert' Alliances and NAP's go, they are fine and perfectly acceptable.

The purpose of the 'Public' declaration is to ensure that Naps and Alliances have a way of being recognized and regulated.

In a nut shell.....IF you have a covert NAP with a 3 turn warning with me and for some reason I just decide its over and attack you, then there is no whining that the agreement wasn't kept because it WASN'T public.

IF you put your agreement in public the other players in the game know who is honorable and who isn't and will react to the agreement breaker in there own way.

[Klepto]

Originally Posted by solmyr

BTW, I'm planning to RP all the diplomacy through in-game message, too. It will be one turn delay, but it's really realistic.

That's the way I see it, what would be really realistic would be a requirement that you can only send messages if you have troops in or adjacent to the recipient's provinces. Just an observation, it's not how Dom3 works, I'm not suggesting we play that way.

Originally Posted by GrudgeBringer

IF you put your agreement in public the other players in the game know who is honorable and who isn't and will react to the agreement breaker in there own way.

That's a very good point, is this how things usually work? I think perhaps I mistook solmyr's initial suggestion for something more restrictive than it actually is. We don't seem to be talking about a requirement that treaties are made public, only using the forums as a, uh, forum from making proclamations of the public parts. This is IMO a good idea, it will make it easy to keep track of events.

Assuming we do this I will begin in-game negotiations concerning exactly what details are made public next turn.

[Psycho]

The fact that an agreement of any sort is not made public is not an excuse to break it on a whim.

[licker]

Are you suggesting that we not communicate via PMs on this board?

I get the 'realism' of the in game messaging, but honestly its a PITA for trying to arrange any coordination.

[Fakeymcfake]

Eh, I'll talk to people either in game or through PMs here. It's a lot easier to use PMs when dealing with issues that require a fair amount of back and forth, such as planning out a joint attack or something similar.

Oh and Klepto, out of curiosity, did you happen to have a character by that same name in a WoW server a few years ago?

[GrudgeBringer]

I think all this is being taken out of context...

Should you break an agreement...EVER, for ANY reason?

There was a 24 page Post on that exact subject along with a 30 page post on what actually CONSTITUTES a nap and trying to come up with one that could be used as a 'Norm' for most games.

The outcome....just what you think, there where 100 different opinions on everything from WHEN a Nap started and ended to when it could be broken ect.

Bottom line, I personally believe in 'Covert agreements' for lack of a better word.

But BEWARE, there are people that will break an agreement in a win all attitude on this sight.

The biggest and easiest way to break a Nap in IMHO is to simply come on the forum and say "I dissolve our nap starting the 3 turn notice on turn 32".

If the person doesn't check the forums reguarly then its his fault but you WILL start hearing and knowing of people that "skirt" the rules.

I personally have a list of Honorable Players and Dishonerable players and while I will ALWAYS keep my word it does reflect how I view players that are a game with me. And its added to and subtracted from all the time.

Keep your Covert agreements because this game can't be played with everything in public...HOWEVER, just because you SHOULD never break an alliance doesn't mean it won't be broke. It WILL be your word agianst his when the time comes and you will BOTH have a very convincing argument I am sure.

Just an opinion

[GrudgeBringer]

Licker, go on the IRC channel and go privite with the person you need to talk to. Its live back and forth so you can iron out stuff pretty quick.

[licker]

Well that's no different from passing PMs, though it is quicker...

But I'm not worried about it, I was just trying to clarify if solymer wanted this game played completely within the game.

[Tifone]

GrudgeBringer,

public lists of "honourable" and "dishonourable" players have been explicitly forbidden. One is not a "dishonourable player", also, if he breaks an agreement in a roleplaying environment. Of course you can keep your private one ^^ but turning the thread into a trial of "arguments" about pacts breaking seems wrong to me.

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I agree that if you want a treaty to be respected, you should post it (with your counterpart's agreement) on the forum. Otherwise it's a "private matter" you can use for nasty surprises on enemies but not so binding of course, so don't come crying
For me, I'll almost surely keep all my agreements, but just because it's in the character of my nation. Not of course if I perceive serious threats from one's excessive gaining of power.