Polish OOB2 corrections/suggestions (v.6)

[DRG]

The flamethrowers are in. I'm surprised there wasn't an FT unit in the game pre 1940

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Which does not answer the question. There is a 08 as an AAMG in the OOB now so why would I need a second Taczanka in 1936. Michal posted, let him answer

[PvtJoker]

Originally Posted by DRG

Which does not answer the question. There is a 08 as an AAMG in the OOB now so why would I need a second Taczanka in 1936. Michal posted, let him answer

Sorry, I just stick my nose everywhere

Seriously, I just wanted to point out that an MG on a high mount is really not yet a proper AAMG. For sure you could shoot at aircraft with one, but it would have been more for psychological reasons than in any real hope of hitting or even significantly harassing the aircraft.

[Mobhack]

Originally Posted by PvtJoker

Sorry, I just stick my nose everywhere

Seriously, I just wanted to point out that an MG on a high mount is really not yet a proper AAMG. For sure you could shoot at aircraft with one, but it would have been more for psychological reasons than in any real hope of hitting or even significantly harassing the aircraft.

Which is all any tank commander's AAMG is in the game, so that is what it will be treated as. Especially since it is now built into the AI pick list in the AA section for that period and I don't want to change that.

Andy

[PvtJoker]

Originally Posted by Mobhack

Which is all any tank commander's AAMG is in the game, so that is what it will be treated as. Especially since it is now built into the AI pick list in the AA section for that period and I don't want to change that.

Andy

Actually, the commander's machine gun was practically always provided with a simple ring AA sight in WW2, either flip-up or detachable one depending on the weapon. US tankers usually did not have them on after North Africa and Sicily, since they faced decreasing air threat, but they were still part of standard equipment.

[DRG]

Seriously, I just wanted to point out that an MG on a high mount is really not yet a proper AAMG. For sure you could shoot at aircraft with one, but it would have been more for psychological reasons than in any real hope of hitting or even significantly harassing the aircraft.

Michal already said the weapon was set up to "enabled quick conversion for AA fire" and that would presuppose it was AA capable....... now can we PLEASE wait for an answer from the guy who posted the info ? All I want to know is why I should have two of these units when one seems to cover everything with the new icon and a AA capable 08 MG

[DRG]

..........on the list and I have not looked into this beyond skimming this post but if the units without the LMG are a problem because they don't have an LMG why not just add the LMG ?? Do do know when you remove units it screws up scenarios?

Also, after saying "Lebels were earlier withdrawn from regular infantry" and asking me to delete about half the infantry units available......WHY is unit #305 not on this list ??


Don

[Pibwl]

I know, that removing these units will screw up scenarios, that's why they should be just renationalized - it should solve problem, and we won't have a plethora of redundant units to choose, differing in addition of an extra rifle.

Adding an LMG to each unit won't be a good idea, because now there are 12 units of three classes, while there should be only 3 or 4 in one or two classes: a standard squad with wz.98 rifle, an early one with Berthier, an experimental one with SLR (radio 3) and maybe a standard squad with ATR.

I didn't mention unit 305, because it is class 51 Light infantry (a company HQ), which I haven't checked yet. Speaking of class 51:
- 286 Rifle Squad - correct, but weapon 144 wz.29 Carbine or 173 wz.98 Carabine (should be Carbine) is more appropriate than rifle
- 286 Rifle Squad - Lebel should be changed to Berthier, and it should end in 1934
- 305 Rifle Squad with two Lebels - redundant, especially, that command sections even had less rifles, than men

A number of men in these units could be easily reduced to around 10, since they were HQ sections, with many specialized and logistic troops, not all of which had rifles and not all were involved in action (apart from necessity).

By the way, as for formation 315 MG Company, which also used Light Infantry: the fourth MG platoon should be on taczankas - so it should be replaced with formation 153 SP-AA Section - which in turn should have three taczankas and be renamed SP-AAMG Platoon.

Speaking of MGs: formation 85 MG Section should be renamed "platoon"

Oh, I forgot: regular infantry squads with Berthier rifles should also have weapon 91 VB Rifle Grnd (with unknown number of ammo, say 10 like unit #287 of 1940)

Michal

[DRG]

Originally Posted by Pibwl

Speaking of class 51:
- 286 Rifle Squad - correct, but weapon 144 wz.29 Carbine or 173 wz.98 Carabine (should be Carbine) is more appropriate than rifle
- 286 Rifle Squad - Lebel should be changed to Berthier, and it should end in 1934
- 305 Rifle Squad with two Lebels - redundant, especially, that command sections even had less rifles, than men

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Oh, I forgot: regular infantry squads with Berthier rifles should also have weapon 91 VB Rifle Grnd (with unknown number of ammo, say 10 like unit #287 of 1940)

If you are going to offer suggestions to correct our work then you better start double checking your work so I don't have to guess what you are referring to

Two references to 286 ? Maybe the second one should be 304 ?

unit #287 has 10 rifle grenades because it has 10 men. If it had 12 men there would be 12 rifle grenades

[Pibwl]

Originally Posted by DRG

If you are going to offer suggestions to correct our work then you better start double checking your work so I don't have to guess what you are referring to

Two references to 286 ? Maybe the second one should be 304 ?

Yes, sir. Sorry, sir.

Originally Posted by DRG

unit #287 has 10 rifle grenades because it has 10 men. If it had 12 men there would be 12 rifle grenades

I don't know, so you can put how many you like - however, not all soldiers had VB launchers.