APC Development and related topics.

[DRG]

Originally Posted by luigim

About this...

https://twitter.com/pmakela1/status/1380938876961820674

Here we can see MT-LBM 6MB (with 30mm autocannon) in Russian service

canceled from this game long time ago

The MT-LBM-6MB was first added to the V4.5 OOB's in 2009 and in 2014 it was removed ( Ver 8 Unit 801)

So far I found the post that suggested it be put in....

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showthread.php?t=34140

And the post that had them removed...

https://forum.shrapnelgames.com/show...6MB#post822740 Post 129

Specifically, OBAT11 numbers 213 (MT-LBM-6M1A3), 332 (MT-LBM-6M1B2), 800 (MT-LBM-6MA), 801 (MT-LBM-6MB), and for that matter 872 (MT-LBM). To the best of my knowledge, these vehicles showed up once at an arms expo, and were promptly never heard from again. I find no reports of any of the MT-LB modifications actually coming into service.

But of course, we just saw a trainload go by so I guess that info we were provided was at least partially wrong, wasn't it ??

Of those Unit numbers listed missing now are:

213 (MT-LBM-6M1A3)
332 (MT-LBM-6M1B2) ( now Kurganets 25 )
800 (MT-LBM-6MA)
801 (MT-LBM-6MB)

872 is now the MT-LBVM


It is too late to get them back in for this release but if I get confirmation info that 213, 332 do or don't exist I will (or won't...) get them back in as well for whenever the next update is released and this time they only get put back in with solid source info but I have added 800 and 801 back into my working OOB's with updated photos and they will get much more correct Icons for the 14.5mm and 30mm versions but right now after a bit of digging it would appear that all of that "remove" info was wrong

These two posts have been moved from the MBT thread to the APC thread

[FASTBOAT TOUGH]

Don,
In the interest of saving you time and aggravation of which I'm sure I'll provide you plenty of in the coming year, I've conducted a search from the following Russian Websites plus the 12 or so of my "normal" go to websites. These of course are concerning the Russian UNITS 213 (MT-LBM-6M1A3) 332 (MT-LBM-6M1B2) (now Kurganets 25) (YOU WON'T HAVE TO MOVE THIS NOW.)

First from my vehicle nomenclature initial search...
2008
http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showt...t=38709&page=2
(As you posted.)

And
https://issuu.com/www.azeridefence.c..._defence_23/43
(Article from May 2016)

ZERO RESULTS RUSSIAN SEARCH FOR BOTH UNITS FROM...
http://eng.mil.ru/en/news_page/country.htm
http://roe.ru/eng/
https://sputniknews.com/
http://mil.today/Russia/
https://tass.com/military-defense
https://www.rt.com/news/

MINE, SAME RESULTS...
https://www.janes.com/
https://www.defence24.com/
https://www.defenceweb.co.za/
https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news/defense
(Just because I can.)
https://www.ajaishukla.com/
(BROADSWORD remade, improved the site.)
https://www.armyrecognition.com/
(Takes delivery NOT inducts for you wandering eye folks.)
https://www.edrmagazine.eu/
https://tanks-encyclopedia.com/
https://weaponsystems.net/
https://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/
http://www.military-today.com
https://www.milmag.eu/
http://www.dod.mil.za/SitePages/Home.aspx
(OK!, OK!, THIS ONE WAS OVERKILL.)

Now based on what I found from searching EVERY source above, that the other 2 UNITS 800 (MT-LBM-6MA) 801 (MT-LBM-6MB), DON'T EXIST ETHIER.

This being a somewhat "time consuming" exercise was worth IT to me to "DRIVE HOME A POINT" of which I dare say only those out here who at least know my methods, would fully understand if not appreciate.

I will conduct the a "deeper" search of those other 2 UNITS, later, but you'll excuse me if I don't renter my refs again.

Regards,
Pat

[luigim]

Ok, but MTLB 6MB with 30mm autocannon can clearly be seen onto the train.

[DRG]

....What Luigim said.......

and
https://tanks-encyclopedia.com/coldwar/USSR/MT-LB.php

MT-LBM (izdeliye 6M) Russian IFV, 30 mm autocannon

AND.....


That is a tracked carrier with a turret and a long autocannon and 6 road wheels.

An MT-LB has 6 road wheels that look just like those road wheels


as does those things whizzing by on the flatcars.

If you know of another Russian tracked carrier with 6 roadwheels and a big assed turret with a long autocannon near the middle back end I'm interested to hear what it is. A bmp has 6 but not quite like those but MAYBE what were seeing is a new BMP variant. The BTR-82A has a turret sort of similar but it's more forward on the hull and has tires

MAYBE it's all maskirovka , They only have a few protos but move them about on trains to impress people... but what went by on those flatcars looks a lot like....

[FASTBOAT TOUGH]

The previous to the below, I based that on the search parameters for the first two types, which is why I ended that post with the following...

"I will conduct the a "deeper" search of those other 2 UNITS, later, but you'll excuse me if I don't renter my refs again."

Which means I'm keeping an "open mind" to all possibilities.

Regards,
Pat

[FASTBOAT TOUGH]

Alright, UNIT 800 MT-LBM (6M) is good. My first ref. lists a whole Sxxt -ton of variants with one to check the MT-LBVM which mounted a turreted 12.7mm NSVT HMG. It was a further upgrade to the MT-LBV that had wider tracks mounted, ref 1 claims 565mm wider tracks.
https://www.militaryfactory.com/armo...sp?armor_id=17
https://www.defencetalk.com/military...lbm-6mb.44879/
(Was assigned to the MT-LBM 6MB 34th Mountain Motor-Rifles Brigade)
Notice slight variation in designation for this unit. We get this a lot out here at times, which can be vexing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBG7qWa1xeM
(Apparently posted just yesterday!)

Seen plenty of pictures and other refs I found independently, which is how I work, If there's others, it supports what has already been presented.

Insight: a MAJOR part of responsibilities @ CSG-10 OPCON was to ensure that no operational message concerning our boats or when "exercised" any boats in the big eastern ocean had errors in them, before being released to the recipients by those above me. Only one way that can be accomplished and I used that word above. Any unexpected "bump in the night" several hundred feet underwater is never a good thing. People can die.

A little something I've held onto from the last time there were questions about Subs. Before you read the first one, we did I the 4 boats I was on, we had the common decency to at least wait a couple of days on one point of discussion and it happened on a more "individual basis" if you will. The rest is pretty much "spot on" and you never pulled open someone's bunk curtain. Your "bunk" is sacra cent and the berthing area was a "holy place". We slept but, listened for the unusual noises and alarms at the same time. And yes we rested.
https://taskandpurpose.com/mandatory...ells-like-sht/
https://www.facebook.com/groups/submarinebubblehead/
(In full disclosure, I'm not a member. Click on "Read More", Do I agree with it, well some of you will already know the answer to that.)

A little "on edge" maybe due some anxiety CINCLANTHOME was having earlier today-tomorrow is shot day for you know what. I'm waiting on the J&J myself since we got a plane to catch this summer for the GD's H.S. Graduation in whatever form that'll take.

That leaves one more I think and it can wait until, maybe tomorrow.

Regards,
Pat

[Suhiir]

Bubbleheads are a unique group.
And as a group they're some of the most reliable people you'll ever meet. They do any task they're given fast and right. Attention to detail quite literally is a life and death matter for them.

[Imp]

Just a thought backed up by Pats "(Was assigned to the MT-LBM 6MB 34th Mountain Motor-Rifles Brigade)" & "MT-LBV that had wider tracks mounted, ref 1 claims 565mm wider tracks."

What is the terrain like where the fighting is taking place I seem to remember they have very low ground pressure so if its rough going that's another confirmation that they are MT's

[FASTBOAT TOUGH]

John,
Here's the Photo Album starting with a great shot of the MT-LBM 6A
to start it off. than MT-LB followed by the MT-VBM, scroll to the comments section for the picture description..

Looking at the terrain at their driving facility for 34th Mountain, the steppes of Russia, UKRAINE and or POLAND with their lakes and swamps of Eastern, Northern (On the Russian "extension" border.) and pretty much all of Western Poland "the gateway" to Germany. It's an AMPHIP as well and wider tracks in those types of terrain as you know, would be nothing but a huge advantage for a vehicle of it's size. The pictures certainly demonstrate that clearly to my mind.
https://www.defencetalk.com/military...-lbm-6m.47299/

CINCLANTHOME is fine, no reaction, just a sore arm which like most anti virus shots, go into the muscle.

Suhiir, thank you for the kind words as your career to some extent would've given you some insight to my world.

Some people can't get beyond the "why would you want to do that", my answer simply is because at the start of WWII, that's all we had to take the fight to the Japanese after Pearl Harbor.
I'm definitely a student of history.
https://www.defense.gov/Explore/Feat...ar-ii-victory/

OK! The Submarine Hazardous Duty pay was pretty good too!!

Regards,
Pat

[scorpio_rocks]

Anyone else think the new "overwatch" (a beefed up Striker) seems like too little too late for the British army (in service 2030!?!) ???

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJ4eNDNY1Zc

Shouldn't it be on a boxer hull and isn't Spike NLOS / "Exactor" a better bet?