Do you like Klingons?

[Atrocities]

I know Narf, I was just playing with your Cheese.

[narf poit chez BOOM]

*snatches his cheese back and wipes it off*

[Atrocities]

Ah man! Just after I dropped it in the toilet too. (Narf, I would double check that before eating it.)

[gregebowman]

I think that the real reason why humans, earth, and/or the Americans are always first or victorious in the end is that simply, humans are making the movies, and most of the time it's in American movies. I don't think the paying audience would go see a movie in which the aliens come out on top (unless you're talking about Aliens from the Alien movies). We want to see us being the good guys and be able to win in the end.

[narf poit chez BOOM]

*throws the dirty cheese at Atrocities and goes to wash his hands*

brie? i don't think i've eaten brie before...

the humans don't have to loose, i'm just saying, couldn't the vulcans have thought up the federation?

[ January 02, 2004, 16:23: Message edited by: narf poit chez BOOM ]

[Atrocities]

This topic has been discussed before many times on other forums. Mostly it has never been resolved as it is a good question.

I think the reason for the Federation and why it came from Earth is because of our history. We are a diverse culture and once we realized who each culture made the whole stronger when we all worked together, provided the premis for the Federation.

Gene R. I think used portions of The Forbidden Planet and other period sci-fi movies, books, comics, lore, and inspirations to create Star Trek. Not the Star Trek that we saw in 1967 - 69, as that was not his vision, but the first two season of STNG. (The worst seasons.)

We as humans are driven by conflict. Gene R. vision for star trek lacked that basic concept and it had to be added. If you look at all of the great episodes, they were all conflict driven. From Balance of Terror through Yestardays Enterprise and Best of Both Worlds. The Dominion War in DS9, and the Borg battles in Voyager. Conflict drives us as a race, and when we see it on the screen, tv, or read about it we become deeply inthrawaled.

To find conflict all you have to do is turn on your TV and watch the news. Our media is controlled by huge corperations that feed upon the personal human mysery, create conflict over mondain subjects, and sell nothing but filterd BS to us as news when in fact it is little more than made up crap based upon controversy and conflict.

So knowning that conflict is as important to our exsistance as water, air, food, and shelter, writers have always keyed their work around it.
That goes for books, comics, movies, and television.

And no one wants to see the Human Race beaten so we will more often than not, always win.

[narf poit chez BOOM]

I think the reason for the Federation and why it came from Earth is because of our history. We are a diverse culture and once we realized who each culture made the whole stronger when we all worked together, provided the premis for the Federation.

yes, but why would we be the most diverse culture in ST?

personally, i'd like to see a book written where earth joins a larger, well established galactic community as simply the newest member and not a victim or the most capable. there's an anthology series called Isaac's Universe that does this, but i havn't seen any new books in a while. that series, although it does focus on the humans, does a good job of portraying humans, not as an underdog, but as a newcomer, perhaps regarded with a little hesitation because there only the seventh race to develop space travel and there hadn't been a new race for, i think, thousands of years.

[gregebowman]

Originally posted by narf poit chez BOOM:

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yes, but why would we be the most diverse culture in ST?

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Well, in ST, most races that the Federation have encountered are of one race throughout that planet. Earth, on the other hand, has several skin colors, with almost 200 different countries and Languages. So, yes, we are culturely diverse. Maybe in a million years all people on earth maybe the same skin color if everyone on earth have mixed partnerships, but until that time comes, then we are a diverse culture.

[narf poit chez BOOM]

Well, in ST, most races that the Federation have encountered are of one race throughout that planet.

yes, but ST is fiction. i'm saying it shouldn't have been written that way.

[Fyron]

Actually... a number of alien species in ST have multiple "races." Vulcans most certainly do. Tuvok and Spock, anyone?