What SC do you wish for?

[chrispedersen]

Originally Posted by Gregstrom

Now that's interesting. I wonder how empowerment affects a Chayot?

I imagine that if you give a chayot a RoW, you will be able to empower him based on the buggiest higher values.

[MaxWilson]

The RoW bug is great for diversifying Ashdod's magic--you can do cross-path stuff like forge the Ark. I can't imagine that it would be a big deal on a SC though, because you don't have time to cast all the buffs it enables. My typical Chayot script is

Divine Blessing
Body Ethereal
Personal Luck
Resist Magic
[Astral Shield]

I can imagine dropping Astral Shield in favor of Invulnerability or something, but you lose a misc slot and pay an extra 36 gems for the RoW. To me this isn't worth it.

-Max

[chrispedersen]

Originally Posted by MaxWilson

The RoW bug is great for diversifying Ashdod's magic--you can do cross-path stuff like forge the Ark. I can't imagine that it would be a big deal on a SC though, because you don't have time to cast all the buffs it enables. My typical Chayot script is

Divine Blessing
Body Ethereal
Personal Luck
Resist Magic
[Astral Shield]

I can imagine dropping Astral Shield in favor of Invulnerability or something, but you lose a misc slot and pay an extra 36 gems for the RoW. To me this isn't worth it.

-Max

Max,
Do you recall if after the ROW the stats are boosted? I don't.
Ie., is prot boosted by E? MR by S?

Also, if you twiceborn a Chayot with a ROW what magic paths are retained?

[MaxWilson]

Originally Posted by chrispedersen

Max,
Do you recall if after the ROW the stats are boosted? I don't.
Ie., is prot boosted by E? MR by S?

Also, if you twiceborn a Chayot with a ROW what magic paths are retained?

S doesn't boost MR. I don't recall whether RoW boosts Prot from E (although a boost of 1 is pretty negligible anyway). Edi has reported that Chayot and Seraphim do not receive a boost to their natural FireShield effect from extra F, so it's possible that they're also weird about other misc effects like Prot from E.

I've never twiceborned Chayot (who empowers Chayot in Death anyway?), but I should mention that I happen to know that Phoenix Pyring Chayot stops them from shapechanging upon death (i.e. if you die w/ more than 100 fatigue, you just die instead of becoming the next Chay form).

-Max

[chrispedersen]

Belphagor

[sum1lost]

Gorgon, simply for the petrify.

[Taqwus]

Originally Posted by MaxWilson

I've never twiceborned Chayot (who empowers Chayot in Death anyway?), but I should mention that I happen to know that Phoenix Pyring Chayot stops them from shapechanging upon death (i.e. if you die w/ more than 100 fatigue, you just die instead of becoming the next Chay form).

This is probably a good limitation. Imagine the hydra unique, on Phoenix Pyre...

[chrispedersen]

Hmmmm

4 Communion master with phoenix pyre, well in advance of the 8-10 communion slaves. Cover the whole line of battle

Comm Ms - Com Mas, FireShield, Phoenix Pyre, hold, hold,

Com Sl - Body Ethereal, Personal Luck, Communion slave

[MaxWilson]

I'm not sure what the goal of the above communion is--is it a linebacker communion where you're going to send the slaves in on Attack Closest while the masters fire crossbows? In that case, why aren't the masters casting different buffs? (Summon Earthpower/Invulnerability/Personal Luck/Soul Vortex/Phoenix Pyre/Fire Shield/Resist Magic/Astral Shield spring to mind.) Each slave will get every buff cast by at least one master.

The sad thing is, in my experience, whenever Phoenix Pyre is relevant in this setup (i.e. you're facing something that can actually kill ultra-buffed communion slaves) it tends to become irrelevant, in that the slaves pick up lots of nasty afflictions from their deaths without the weak fire attack doing real damage to the nasties that are killing them. I dunno, maybe if I tried this on slaves with worthwhile weapons instead of random Ktonian Necromancers with quarterstaffs it would work better. Essentially you'd be relying on Soul Vortex + magic weapons to do the actual killing, with Phoenix Pyre as simply insurance vs. failing an MR check vs. Disintegrate/Soul Slay.

-Max

[Endoperez]

The point is that the slaves can't attack if the master(s) keeps casting spells after the buffs. A single Paralyze will stop one enemy and ALL of your communion-thugs!