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Fyron · #51 May 15th, 2003, 08:25 PM

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That sounds troublingly circular, since Evolution was formed specifically to explain our existence.

The theory of evolution starts off with "in the present day...". The theory of evolution says nothing about the beginning of life. There are many other theories on that, but evolution itself quite clearly does not cover it.

narf poit chez BOOM · #52 May 15th, 2003, 08:29 PM

no, i'm saying that a more complex piece of tin won't become intelligent. it just doesn't compute for me. so, if you take my belief that evolution didn't make me, then evelution couldn't have made me, therefore there's big hole in evelution. which states that our development is random.

Phoenix-D · #53 May 15th, 2003, 09:05 PM

"no, i'm saying that a more complex piece of tin won't become intelligent. it just doesn't compute for me. so, if you take my belief that evolution didn't make me, then evelution couldn't have made me, therefore there's big hole in evelution. which states that our development is random."

I'll work backwards here. Evolution isn't always random. Mutations and to a certain extent genetic drift can be; natural selection is definitely not. To a certain extent it is- who happens to be in the path of the firestorm when it starts, who walks under the tree limb when it falls- but in most cases it isn't.

Did evolution make you? Nope. Wrong level again. Your parents made you. I would aruge that the human species is halfway out of the evolutionary process by now, because of modern medicine.

A more complex piece of tin will not become intelligent- intelligence is something limited to living systems, which a piece of tin is not. But a piece of tin CAN be made into something more complex that an uneducated person might not expect.

It works the same way with intelligence. Once you've got a brain- which is required to get above a certain level of complexity- it becomes a test. Does adding brain power increase survival or reproduction? If yes, the species's intelligence will probably increase. If not, it won't.

I agree with Dogscoff that intelligence is not a on/off switch, nor is there one type.

Fyron · #54 May 15th, 2003, 09:11 PM

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Originally posted by narf poit chez BOOM:
no, i'm saying that a more complex piece of tin won't become intelligent. it just doesn't compute for me. so, if you take my belief that evolution didn't make me, then evelution couldn't have made me, therefore there's big hole in evelution. which states that our development is random.

Umm... your belief that it is wrong in no way shows that there is a big hole in it. All it shows is that there is a distinct close-mindedness about your thinking and a lack of willingness to accept that you just might not be right.

And besides, evolution didn't make you. It is not some factory pumping people out.

Ruatha · #55 May 15th, 2003, 10:31 PM

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Originally posted by Phoenix-D:

A more complex piece of tin will not become intelligent- intelligence is something limited to living systems, which a piece of tin is not. But a piece of tin CAN be made into something more complex that an uneducated person might not expect.

I see no reason that we someday can't create an intelligent machine.
If we understand the ways the human brain works we will propably be able to emulate it by using other technology. Emulating here doesn't mean that that machine will be less intelligent than a human, in the beginning it surely will but eventuall we will beable to improve it.
When this will happen is impossible to say but that it will happen is most likely.

narf poit chez BOOM · #56 May 15th, 2003, 10:44 PM

i'm not saying that through evelution a brain could not sit here and type this i'm saying that there would be nothing behind the eyes!

Fyron · #57 May 15th, 2003, 10:47 PM

Again, you are completely wrong in your thinking of what evolution is. Please go do some research on evolution to learn what it really is.

Primogenitor · #58 May 15th, 2003, 11:06 PM

I think narf is trying to say that humans have a "soul" and that such a "soul" cannot be the product of evolution.

LOL

You believe what you want, but i dont think so.

Narrew · #59 May 16th, 2003, 12:02 AM

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Originally posted by Imperator Fyron:
And besides, evolution didn't make you. It is not some factory pumping people out.

God, that is soo funny

oh, when I say God, its a figure of speech, not a comment on evolution

narf poit chez BOOM · #60 May 16th, 2003, 12:12 AM

yes, primogenitor, that's what i'm saying. now, if i could figure out why fyron wants me to look up the definition of evolution...oh well, doing it anyway...ok, it still doesn't explain conciousness and there's nothing there, really, that i didn't know. so it couldn't have come up with it.

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