Microsoft VISTA

[Suicide Junkie]

Atrocities said:
It asks me to sign a statement swaring that I am the ORIGINAL owner of the PC. Well I am not..... by that I mean this..

It was sent to me DIRECTLY from HP as a new Computer, however, it did belong to someone before me as I discovered when the CDROM failed. So what do I do??? Do I say I am the original owner? I cannot, I have to call the law firm that is handling the case and be advised. I will not purger myself for a free copy of an OS that should have been given with the PC! HP is EVIL!!

How about signing and mailing a handwritten copy of the thing, with the only difference being you write "legal owner" instead of "original owner"?

[El_Phil]

Mainly monopoly laws, or anti-trust as the Americans call it. Also unpleasent buisness practices.

In no paticular order it was illegaly nasty to IBM.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/07/01/ibm_ms_settle/
There was also deliberatly writing programs to break if IBMs Dr DOS was detected so programmes would only work on MS DOS. Not perhaps illegal, but underhand.

Commited serious anti-trust offences (Became a monopoly illegaly and then abused its position)
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2002/11...eal_microsoft/
But got off when Bush got into power (allegedly ). In any case the DoJ cut a deal shortly after the election

Oh and annoyed the EU by abusing its dominant OS position to force feed media player to customers. There are other cases still ambling through the courts.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/06/09/ms_wmp_windows/

There has also been a very clear understanding, if OEMs and system builders wanted to have Windows then on competing software could be bundled. This would be fine, but by this time ('98 ish) Windows was a defacto monopoly and so it would be commercial suicide not to sell PCs with Windows on. This is called 'Abusing a monopoly position.'

[El_Phil]

Atrocities said:
I just got my confirmation about the HP suite yestarday. Sure enough people are pissed off about the OS being stored on a partition of the HD and not getting a back up disk with the info. (Kinda hard to install an OS when the OS is on the drive that FAILED!!!!)

It asks me to sign a statement swaring that I am the ORIGINAL owner of the PC. Well I am not..... by that I mean this..

It was sent to me DIRECTLY from HP as a new Computer, however, it did belong to someone before me as I discovered when the CDROM failed. So what do I do??? Do I say I am the original owner? I cannot, I have to call the law firm that is handling the case and be advised. I will not purger myself for a free copy of an OS that should have been given with the PC! HP is EVIL!!

Well do remember, you don't own any Microsoft OS, you lease it. That is what the EULA says, its leased not brought. I would imagine that produces all sorts of horrible legal problems, or at least expensive ones knowing lawyers

Seriously though good luck fighting this and I hope you do win. Never much liked HP, always seemed like a bunch of jumped up printer makers. A nice bit of embaressment and coughing up for being tight on new PCs would do them some good.

[parabolize]

NullAshton said:
Phones can be ruined my idiots? That, I have to see for myself.

Why would I only play se4? Sure, it runs on other systems with emulators... But is that all to life? Wine would have a fit if it tried running Battlefield 2, much less all these other games I have. Star Wars Galaxies, Planetside, some other games I'm sure... Windows is simply the best OS for the job of playing games.

BF2 is not working in wine or cedega but it does work on other OS (PS2 Xbox). I don't think its going to Mac. BF3 will though. Looks like Star Wars Galaxies runs in cedega but not wine. Planetside is not yet working in wine.

[NullAshton]

See? Most of the games I play won't work on linux.

[parabolize]

NullAshton said:
See? Most of the games I play won't work on linux.

Yes.

NullAshton said:
Windows is simply the best OS for the job of playing games.

For ATI cards yes, NVIDIA no. Most of the games that have been ported to Linux run faster in Linux with NVIDIA cards (Doom3 doesn't if your CPU is the bottle-neck because they tried to take some of the work load off the ATI cards). ATI may make some drivers for Linux that actually work in the future. Linux is ready for gaming and stupid users in general. The problem is not enough people are running Linux. Why make a port to a OS if your not going to sell? Most people who have ported games to Linux did it so they could get some good dedicated servers.

[Atrocities]

I read the thing more closely and the wording allows for GIFT or other method of ownership.

Any whoo, I have a copy of the document if any one wants to read it.

[Thermodyne]

Well, back in the day there were lots of OS’s for small computers. IBM was running DOS which it got from MS. And MS did not steal DOS; they just made a very good deal to get it. People were not buying many computers for home or desktop use. It took a few years to learn to operate them and there were not a lot of boxed apps. Then Windows came along and people started buying personal computers. Then developers demanded 32bit support and better memory management, so Win 95 hit the shelves. But it was still DOS. NT hit the business world about the same time, and was more stable than 95, but not as easy to use and with few home user bells and whistles. The ease of use with 95 caused sales to take off, and prices began to fall. Then 98 and 98se came along as improvements of 95. But they were still DOS and had memory and driver issues. So then we got 98me which didn’t support kernel loaded drivers, but had poor legacy support and suffered from a lot of poorly written drivers from developers that were having to relearn writing drivers. And it had no way to stop you from loading DOS based drivers into the kernel, and were at the mercy of the driver supplier. At about this time, NT5 is ready to test, and someone got the idea to add bells and whistles to it so the home user would buy it. So then we got 2K which addressed the memory issues and got the drivers out of the root kernel once and for all and solved most of the driver burn downs. Developers had experience writing NT drivers, but there were still a lot of poorly written ones being pushed out. Also, it wouldn’t run a lot of legacy software. So the we get NT6 or Windows XP. It addresses driver problems by asking you not to install unapproved versions. And it will run most old software if you have the ability to read some directions and implement them. It also has lots of stuff for the home user and other stuff for the business world. Problem was that NT memory management was more or less maxed out and hacking had become main stream. Some of the best developers in the world were busy finding ways into other peoples computers. So MS decides to dump NT and bring a new OS to market. They asked the hardware world to make some changes, and started writing code. While this was going on, it suddenly got hard to copy write code. A single line of base everyday code could bring down a million lines if someone had included it in some other million lines of code. And the hardware peeps said no to almost every change they were asked to make. Although better memory management did see the light of day in 64 bit. So now we are about to get Longhorn. It has been forced to use NT core code because hardware is still x86, but has better memory management and much better driver handling. A lot of the new features have never gotten out of legal, and others will not be included because antitrust has done its best to pull MS back down the level of third world code shops. But it will be a step forward.

Start Rant/

IMHO, the world should have a standardized operating system and it should not be free. Every PC should run on it so that every user could operate every PC. And people should make money from it, so that there will always be people willing to invest large parts of their lives working on improving it. IPv6 should be pushed out asap, and with that done, hackers should be run to ground and harshly punished. Something along the lines of 10 years in supermax with meal time being bobbing for apples in boiling acid. The developed world should have fiber to every home and business. And the undeveloped world should be left the FUC alone. When they evolve beyond their stupid tribal methods of organization and draconian religious fantasies, we’ll welcome them with open arms. Until then, we should not pull the advanced parts of the world down to their level. You can buy a PC with MS OS and Apps for $500 US, and the money that is pilfered from UN aid packages to the third world would pay for an IPv6 rollout in three years. And while I’m on this rant, the USofA gave the world the PC, a user friendly OS, the internet, and the hardware and code to make it work. The rest of the world should shut the FUC up and not try to take it over. If they don’t like it, they should just cut the wires and put up something of their own. With their own hardware designs, their own code, and built in their own fabs. I’m sorry, but it just makes me LOL. If this ever happened, can you imagine what would come to be in Iran? The PC would shut down several times a day for prayers. Visit a porno site and the PC would kill you. Or what would the old USSR’s version of the internet have been like? Go to the wrong web site and there would be a knock on the door. Order a new PC and get on a thirty year waiting list. What about some more advanced countries, 8088’s and 14k would be the standard so long as it was all supplied by in country industry. And every summer it would all shut down for three weeks. And lastly, what if Billy G had never taken the risk, and we were still using whatever IBM had to offer. There would be a 100 OS’s each serving 1/2% of the market on proprietary systems and something from IBM that took a masters degree to use running on the rest. Well perhaps not that bad, but you can bet that we would have a lot less than we have now and we would be paying a lot more for it.

[El_Phil]

Calm down Themy. Seriously that can't be healthy for you. Whatever tablets the doctor gave you, take double the dosage. Or just stop taking them.

I'm going to take a stab here, but you've got an MCSE haven't you?

[Suicide Junkie]

IMHO, the world should have a standardized operating system and it should not be free. Every PC should run on it so that every user could operate every PC.

Ye gods. That's horrible.

It would be like a state sponsored, "Floppy-disk" thumping religion which also has a license to print money.

A strong disincentive to innovate too, since any changes will threaten them and their free money.

PS:
As a matter of practicality, would these PC Police be trying to install DOS 1.0 on my Ghz desktop, or WindowsXP on my 16mhz 80806 box?
Or would they just be burning me at the stake?