From the mouth of Aristotle

[Boron]

deccan said:
You've really hijacked Zen's "I'm back" thread, Boron, and your Pandemonium turn is still outstanding.

I know i plan to do this turn tomorrow morning when i am "mental newer" . It is 7 a.m. now i didn't intend to stay up so long but especially today the forum discussion was so interesting

[Zen]

Boron said:
Another thing where i am quite interested but where it is hard to impossible to get good answers is how effective Stealth technology really is . The "sucky" europeans now just developed finally the eurofighter while you develop your F-22 Raptor who has stealth abilities but is an adequate all role fighter too unlike e.g. the F-117 .
So if only half of what your PR's say/claim there the F-22 is probably 20-30 years ahead of the eurofighter and every other fighter that exists at the moment in the world .

Ah, the F-22 Raptor is definitive of it's generation of Stealth Class combat aircraft. Unfortunately it costs more than you will make in 3 generations, not including it's armaments or navigation systems. I doubt there is or will be another national aircraft that will compare to it and it's subsequent Versions for another 10 years.

Though considering the outlandish contracts given to military contractors at this point (due to federal funding) by the US Government you'd be hard pressed to find another nation with that kind of budget.

[Stormbinder]

Boron said:
Wow thanks Stormbinder and Arryn .
Your mentioned Combat Mission : Barbarossa looks really awesome even better than steel panthers .

They are up to Combat Mission 3 now .
Do you own all parts of that series or are the newer ones realtime and less accurate and because of that not as good as your mentioned Combat Mission : Barbarossa ?

Aye, both games are very good. If I would have to choose I would have chosen CM, partly because ot its amazing level of autenticity. It is as close as you can get to commanding real sqard, company, batalion or even division of any nation in World War 2 battle using today's technology. But both games are great and both play very differently, so it is the matter of personal choice. One is more tactical and authentic, another is more strategical. Pick your poison or play both.

Answering your question - yes, I owe both CM1 and CM2 games and AK expansion. I also used to have huge collenction of CM scenarios and operations (compaigns) for both CM games.

The CM3 will be in the development for a very long time, so don't hold your breath for it. Battlefront said that they have pushed the current CM engine as far as they can (which is pretty much true, there is not much more you can do to enhance the game). So they are going to do completely new and fully 3D engine, to push CM seria to the next level. Since they are building everything from scratch, it'll be quite a while before we will see CM3. But if they are going to implement 1/2 of the features they say they are going to put into it, I am going ro buy 10 copies of the game for myself and my friends and relatives.

Happy that you both mentioned HoI too .
My main gripe with HoI is that once you have teched out everything you have not much to do .

How do you like Victoria Stormbinder ? They will include parts in HoI 2 . I personally liked victoria expect for the daily revolution checks which made warmongering what i loved most too painful for me

I liked some ideas implemented in Victoria, but overall I din't like the game too much. EU2 IMO was so much better. But than again I think EU2 was a masterpiece, despite rather lacking AI and several other drawbacks.

[Arryn]

Boron said:
So they say perhaps they got their nuke like you told but probably at least shortly after they got lots of new , better nukes or at least the ICBM's for that from the USA .

The US does not give nuclear technology to Israel. (Which is one reason why Israel spies on the US.) But if you want to continue believing in fantasies, Boron, without bothering to check out the facts, you're welcome to do so. Just, please, don't waste our time with it. It's getting very old and tiresome.

Boron said:
Israel was always amazingly inventive when getting new weapons in the past time though . They got the best from France/Soviet Union/Usa etc. etc.

Israel has never used Soviet-made weapons (except what they might capture on the battlefield from the Arabs for later study). You really do need to do a better job of studying history.

Boron said:
They have probably the second best army of the world now . Only the Usa has a better army .

The UK would dispute that, and with good reason.

Boron said:
So if only half of what your PR's say/claim there the F-22 is probably 20-30 years ahead of the eurofighter and every other fighter that exists at the moment in the world .

No comment. If I told you I'd then have to fly to Germany, hunt you down, and kill you.

[Arryn]

Zen said:
But I might just ***** slap you Arryn, just for old times sake!

He loves me! I knew it. How sweet. You're such a dear.

[Arryn]

Stormbinder said:
I liked some ideas implemented in Victoria, but overall I din't like the game too much. EU2 IMO was so much better. But than again I think EU2 was a masterpiece, despite rather lacking AI and several other drawbacks.

Ditto.

[Stormbinder]

Arryn said:
We're taking advantage of Zen's reduction to the ranks. He's no longer a pretender, so he can't *****-slap us with the almight Hand of the Moderator spell. And sweet ol' Gandalf is too much of a teddy bear to growl at us for being naughty. heehee

I think I would welcome Zen much more if he would knock off his "cute" little IRC script, which kicks me from Dom2 channel every time he decides to drop in. He put it into effect shortly after Norfleet's cheating was exposed and Norfleet was forced to quit.


Since Zen promptly ignored all my Messages that I've send to him asking to stop kicking me from the channel, as well as those from other players, including channel moderator, asking him to stop it, I assumed he actually enjoys doing so just because he can. [img]/threads/images/Graemlins/Cold.gif[/img]


This being the case it is not surprising that I find historical WW2 subject as well as hardcore strategy games subject that was being discussed here much more intersting than the subject of Zen's return...

[Stormbinder]

Arryn said:

Ditto.

Heh, I told you we are in agreement quite often Arryn.

[Arryn]

Stormbinder said:
Heh, I told you we are in agreement quite often Arryn.

As long as the subject isn't Dom 2 ...

[Boron]

Arryn said:

Israel has never used Soviet-made weapons (except what they might capture on the battlefield from the Arabs for later study). You really do need to do a better job of studying history.

Well in a book which i have they write that knowledge Israel had about soviet tanks + new developments thanks to the mossad that this flew into the Design of the Merkava I tank as well .
So knowing how well the Mossad works why shouldn't i believe this then when i read it in a book about tanks ?
Furthermore as you said they used captured soviet tanks from the Arabs very inventive for e.g. their APC Achzarit .


With your further comments i guess you are just kidding or do you really work for the american government in a position with insight i as an european can never get ?