Various questions

[Finalgenesis]

Originally Posted by chrispedersen

I did about 60 casts and had no discernable differenc.e

I feel bad that you had to do testing on my behalf. With that said thanks for the data, and that I'd happily do the data-gathering in the future on my own question if it was raised to me that no one had answer on hand

[Finalgenesis]

Hmmm could there also be a 3L cap limit for a given province? E.g. it was coded in that a province can go higher then 3L, much like how a summoner(20+) starspawn priest for the void gate was never forseen thus actually never summoning much as very high level summoner stat was never coded for.

I'll test a game with 2L + Lof, vs 2L, vs 1L + Lof + fb I think.

Edit: I just noticed your test setting using 3G3L. Does 3 growth scale actually impact crossbreed / transformation / void gate like the luck scale?

[Finalgenesis]

Typo above, correction:

" It was never coded in that a province can go higher then +3 luck "

[chrispedersen]

Originally Posted by Finalgenesis

Hmmm could there also be a 3L cap limit for a given province? E.g. it was coded in that a province can go higher then 3L, much like how a summoner(20+) starspawn priest for the void gate was never forseen thus actually never summoning much as very high level summoner stat was never coded for.

I'll test a game with 2L + Lof, vs 2L, vs 1L + Lof + fb I think.

Edit: I just noticed your test setting using 3G3L. Does 3 growth scale actually impact crossbreed / transformation / void gate like the luck scale?

The issue will be that your LoF will increase the luck in the province (I think). Therefore you will see an effect. Still worth doing.

I don't have empirical evidence on the growth - but yes it seemed to me that with Growth 3 Luck 3 I was getting one super, 3 improved and the remainder trash with crossbreeding.

[Finalgenesis]

I'll do test games this weekend of these scenarios to add to your data:

0 neutral scales (LA R'yleth)
3 Luck (LA R'yleth)
3 Luck 3 Growth (LA R'yleth)

1 Luck (MA R'yleth)
1 Luck 3 growth (MA R'yleth)
1 Luck + Firebird (MA R'yleth)
1 Luck + LoF + Firebird (Any blood nation)

Spells to be tested are:
Advanced crossbreeding
Void gate summons, only summoner(3) will be used.

Questions to be tested:
-Void gate / crossbreed affected by luck / growth / Firebird/Lof?
-LA Ryleth non-cap spawns affected by luck or growth?

Thanks again for your help so far!

[Stavis_L]

Originally Posted by Finalgenesis

I think this is a tough one:

- Will a mage casting transformation / crossbreeding get better chances at rares creature(s) if Lady of fortune (or firebird for that matter) was present in the same provinces.

Originally Posted by Squirrelloid

Are they an independent effect, or do they increase the local luck scale? Because i think its based on local luck scale.

The Lady of Luck does not increase luck scale. She provides a separate bonus percentage to good events. Llamabeast's EGDM Firebird provides the same bonus, presumably, since it's copystatted. The Bogarusian firebird provides a small bonus to the same effect. I can say that with > 100 Bogarusian firebirds in a province, it did not seem to discernibly improve crossbreeding effects. However, terrain (apparently) seems to have an effect, and I would recommend casting it in mountains or wastes vs. plains. That could just be observer bias, though, since after I seemed to notice it, I did all my castings there.

[Finalgenesis]

Interesting! That's really good stuff and Base on your observation together with CP's data, I think we can lay the LoF / Firebird effect on void gate / crossbreed to rest and conclude it has no effect in that regards.

That's gonna shave off 4 out of 7 scenarios I had to test

I now have 4 scenarios to test:
(LA R'yleth)
0 neutral scales
3 Luck
3 Luck 3 Growth
3 Luck 3 Growth 3 magic

All cross-breeding will be performed 50% in waste, 50% in farm lands.

I think we can say that luck affects void gate + cross breed. Now I will test whether growth and magic does as well!

[chrispedersen]

I did a lot of testing on terrain with transformation, and some testing on crossbreeding.

It clearly makes a difference on transformation. On crossbreeding I prefer swamps.

[chrispedersen]

Ok.. Some counter intuitive results.

With 350 odd casts, Order3/cold3 gave twice as many steller results as Turmoil3/heat3

The freak lord was also on the losing side of that equation.
There were no variations that I can ascribe to anything other than chance across the terrains of wood, waste, and mountain.

Also, I don't know if its documented in the manual.. but starving seems to increase province unrest....

[Gregstrom]

Hm. How many are we talking in terms of raw numbers?