Helo News game related.

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For a friend, just one of many but better than most...
http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/uh1y-huey/

Regards,
Pat

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I can find references to the USAF getting the UH-1N in May 1971. But nothing to indicate the USMC got them earlier then 1973.

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Got to get ready for work...but these should support 1971 and retirement of the UH-1N/HH-1N (USN version.). The retirement matches the USMC AVPLAN 2030 I recently posted in the Jets Thread.
http://www.janes.com/article/42729/u...m-usmc-service
http://www.navair.navy.mil/index.cfm...8-813E90688F26

Regards,
Pat

[Suhiir]

Still can't find anything indicating when the USMC got the UH-1N, but I'll go with 01/1972.

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I know where to go, you'll have seen the ref before (LAV-AD?) but the website has changed. I'll see if I can recover it and still access it.

Regards,
Pat

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As I thought...I've used the following in the past but MCU was getting ready to reorganize their library and re-digitalize their data as well. You might recognize the format as I believe I used this data for the LAV-AD when "correcting" it (Check the Fastboat Patch/or SPAA Threads. However the link might be dead as stated above.)
Click on 1982 see January 13th where it's noting the first F/A HORNET is being assembled you'll find nuggets concerning equipment etc. on this page by year throughout. This was one of my best resources (AV-8 comes to mind now as well.) when concerning my research on USMC equipment.
https://www.mcu.usmc.mil/historydivi...hronology.aspx
I'm toast now I have other resources to check on concerning the UH-1N. HOPEFULLY this won't turn into a "French 105mm campaign" one just never knows - GOOD NIGHT!!

Regards,
Pat

[Suhiir]

Well this is what I've found.
Since the first deliveries were apparently sometime in 1971 I'll stick to the 01/1972 operational deployment date since I can't find any definitive information.

"211 UH-1N ( Bell 212 ) were ordered for USMC service in late 1960s. Six ( plus 2 conversions ) were for presidential use (Marine One) as VH-1N and are listed separately. Many were later converted to HH-1N and turned over to US Navy as land based rescue/utility machines.
Deliveries of the twin huey (HH/UH-1N) to US Navy/USMC began in 1971. The last, and newest, UH-1N Iroquois was delivered in January 1979."

"Originating from a 1955 U.S. Army contract for a medical evacuation helicopter, the first Navy/Marine Corps Iroquois variant, the UH-1E, was first procured in 1964. Deliveries of the current version, the HH/UH-1N, began in 1971."

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According to the next the first unit was manned in June 1971 and stood up by 1 July. You're in the "swag" even Oct. 1971 would work based on previous HUEY flying/maintenance experience. More an issue for the mechanics than pilots in switching to the twin turbo engines. This would be up to you-just wanted to finish what I started.
http://books.google.com/books?id=ES4...ter%3F&f=false

Regards,
Pat

[Suhiir]

That book reference was just what I needed ... definitive dates!
Yeah, would have taken till October to get enough of them and get folks up to speed.

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During the time of my "problems" I've had some time to think about things in particular of helos within the game and how I've submitted them. Combining game and real life realities and limitations, I've been wrong in some of my past submissions, there has to be some "ascendancy" here driven by the fact that a country is not going to sell it's top equipment with if you will "with its full kit" currently the AH-64E GUARDIAN enjoys a TI/GSR of 60 which is game limited and fine for the U.S. it's their/our "baby" but with the possible exception of the UK, for TAIWAN and SOUTH KOREA definitely not especially given the "neighborhood" they'd be operating in the same would be true for INDIA as well who's the newest customer to receive this helicopter and the following ref. shows what system (FCS Radar) they've approved to get which is making my point for me.
http://www.janes.com/article/59908/a...rs-for-apaches

That radar was on the AH-64D LONGBOW which in the USA is/has already started being converted to the AH-64E GUARDIAN. This (game) can't be just about parity without a dose of reality to temper it. Countries have advantages and disadvantages and are we not paying for that when you buy/choose a certain piece of equipment?

In my mind right now U.S. stays at 60, UK 55 and the rest 50 TI/GSR which would eventually in POLAND as well once their program funding issues are resolved. The current USA version is already in a BLOCK III configuration.
https://www.defenseindustrydaily.com...-signed-02480/
http://www.bga-aeroweb.com/Defense/A...e-Longbow.html
http://copevents.pmi.org/pmosymposiu...l.pdf?sfvrsn=2

I'm not however saying the U.S. "owns the block" Russia, Germany/France, Italy, Israel (That has a very long history of buying equipment and improving them on their own.) and South Africa (Yes the ROOIVALK when it first appeared it was considered for a while the most advanced helo in it's class. After being taken out of operational service for 18 months the much improved version the ROOIVALK MK1 (Game entered.) still ranks among the best flying now.) the last two countries being the "David's amongest the Goliath's". Original ROOIVALK...
http://www.airforce-technology.com/p...-ah2-rooivalk/

Not much on specifics on the MK1 either just maybe SADF doesn't what to talk about it much beyond the "generalities" of that helo.

Regards,
Pat