Question about Ukraine OOB...

[Mustang]

Originally Posted by DRG

Really ? The boat exploding wasn't enough for you ?

So because only one video shows a bradley firing its weapons you are not sure if the FISTV are fully armed ?

You have no evidence they are not but you are doing a fine job of making the prophecy you made at the start of your latest posting cycle become a reality,,,,,,,


https://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showthread.php?t=53019

Nothing says TROLL like a comment like that

Take the hint.

Call me a troll if you want but I will still reply to your specific requests.

The TOW on the FIST is removed. I believe that's already in the game.

There is apparently a stabilizer issue with the older FIST, I don't think this in the game, correct me if I'm wrong.



All ukranian bradleys are m2 and thus a less upgraded model. The m3 and m7 have a stabilizer. It is implied the older bradleys cannot move and target, specifically the FIST.

This might be a general problem with all M2 or just the FIST due to the different electrical work.

[Mustang]

I cannot find a source that the ODS bradley has a stabilizer. There is another model, ODS SA, which does. Ukraine did not get these.



The SA is fully modernized and has a stabilizer. This is hard to represent in game as the game assumes stabilizers are harder than thermal sights, based on ww2. A higher fire control value means you have a stabilizer and then a thermal sight.

The bradley progression is the opposite as the cost of electronics has gone down and mechanical parts are in shortage. The result is the ODS bradley apparently has a thermal sight with no stabilizer while the SA has everything.

I don't know how you represent this in the game but it is a major loss of capability.

[Mustang]

Some visual evidence.



ODS SA. Note the CITV.



ODS model. Note the hood over CITV.



Majority of bradleys here resemble ODS, you might be able to find some SA but it's clear not all are SA.

[DRG]

Originally Posted by MarkSheppard

Also first Bradley FIST video -- they got something like 7 or so BFISTs out of 125 Bradleys

https://twitter.com/Archer83Able/sta...55065177788680

Note the text "Both vehicles are equipped with Bradley Reactive Armour Tiles"

Will adjust...

[Mustang]

I don't think any IFV has ever used reactive armor in combat, given the reactive armor would penetrate their own thin armor.

[DRG]

Well that's why we are not paying any attention to what "you think"

https://www.armyrecognition.com/ukra...armor_kit.html

https://www.rafael-usa.com/programs/armor/

RAFAEL provides advanced Reactive Armor Tiles for armored combat vehicles that defeat a broad range of threats including kinetic energy projectiles, anti-tank shaped charges, high-speed fragments, IEDs, RPGs, and EFPs. RAFAEL is the design authority for the Bradley AFV Reactive Armor Tiles, which have been supplied to the U.S. Army for the Bradley as well as for the Stryker IFV. The system saved U.S. soldiers’ lives during the Enduring Freedom (Afghanistan) and Iraqi Freedom operations. Platforms hit simultaneously by RPGs during ambushes survived the attacks.

[Mustang]

Originally Posted by DRG

Well that's why we are not paying any attention to what "you think"

https://www.armyrecognition.com/ukra...armor_kit.html

https://www.rafael-usa.com/programs/armor/

The upgrade was in 2009 so the oif part is impossible. For Afghanistan I can't find anything.

[Mobhack]

Mustang - what part of Don's "that's why we are not paying any attention to what "you think"" don't you get?

We don't care what you post. We have told you so. But you just don't seem to get the hint and blithely reply with yet another "you think". Or several!.

Your screeds of obsessive "you thinks" on these forums simply aren't worth the electrons expended since their value to us has been proven to be the square root of diddly-squat.

Now, please hop it before you get yourself banned, eh?

[Mustang]

Originally Posted by Mobhack

Mustang - what part of Don's "that's why we are not paying any attention to what "you think"" don't you get?

We don't care what you post. We have told you so. But you just don't seem to get the hint and blithely reply with yet another "you think". Or several!.

Your screeds of obsessive "you thinks" on these forums simply aren't worth the electrons expended since their value to us has been proven to be the square root of diddly-squat.

Now, please hop it before you get yourself banned, eh?

I'm fine with being banned. It's not my opinion. There's multiple factual errors here. Era was never used in Iraq. The bradleys in Ukraine have no stabilizer. And so on. Ban me.

[MarkSheppard]

Originally Posted by Mustang

There's multiple factual errors here. Era was never used in Iraq. The bradleys in Ukraine have no stabilizer. And so on. Ban me.

https://www.militarytoday.com/apc/m2_bradley.htm

At the time of its introduction the Bradley was the first IFV with a fully-stabilized main gun.

Please note that this is the initial M2A0 Bradley from 1981 -- at the time all this was very $$$$$ -- the UK Warrior IFV doesn't have stabilization even today.