OT-Star Trek Nemesis

[Captain Kwok]

Originally posted by tesco samoa:
Ummm... I saw it...

All I have to say is that the odd and even theory is now defunct.... You would almost think that Lucas was directing the movie....

Bah.... And the sound track sounds like it was written by the people who do the entertainment tonight music...

One Last thing.... Patrick Steward must have thought he was in Exclabur again...

Rating The big bagel.

I am very disappointed. Very un star trek like movie....
Oh well Two towers is out on wed.

Tesco - Did you see the same movie I did? I thought it was quite enjoyable and the changes refreshing, especially with the score. You must admit that space battle was exceptional. You sound like some of the people at the TrekBBS - what the heck do you guys want?

You've got to admit the battle scene was exceptional.

Worse than Insurrection? You're nuts.

[ December 14, 2002, 05:50: Message edited by: Captain Kwok ]

[Desdinova]

i liked the way they tried to pull stuff from the series into this. Like they did with StarTrek 6 TOS. the battle scenes were impressive. I was shocked to see Deanna Troy actually play an important roll in the movie.
War makes for strange allies.
The Enterprise definitely did not look like a peaceful exploration ship in this movie. to bad it didnt have the Spinal Mount from the series finally.

[Kamog]

Originally posted by Ragnarok:
Man I wish I could've seen it tonight. Our theatre here in my home town didn't open it today. I wouldn't be suprised if they did at all. They are playing that stupid 'my big fat greek wedding' and the hot chick... So we went and saw the hot chick. It was ok. But I really wanted to see Nemesis. We didn't have time to drive 30 minutes to see it at one of the big theatres in a big town. But I will see it this weekend!

Similar situation here... I was going to see it tonight too, but something urgent came up and I was busy all night, and wasn't able to go. What's this movie with the 'hot chick'? Maybe I'll go see that too after I see Nemesis.

OK, tomorrow is Nemesis, and this time nothing is going to stop me!

[kalthalior]

My report: I enjoyed the movie, it was good, better than Insurrection, but...I found it lacking (somehow) in a way I can't really describe. The space battle was VERY cool, however, and I would recommend the movie. Maybe someone can help me identify what I thought was missing. REALLY looking forward to Two Towers next Wednesday!

[ December 14, 2002, 16:39: Message edited by: kalthalior ]

[Captain Kwok]

Here is a message for those who haven't seen it:

Do not be swayed by a lot of the negative nitpicks and criticisms you might have read on different websites. See the movie for yourself and enjoy it! If you go into the movie looking for every nitpick, you won't have a good time because you'll be too busy tearing it down.

[ December 14, 2002, 18:02: Message edited by: Captain Kwok ]

[disabled]

The only I can say that is lacking is the sense of a real ending. Star Trek 2,3,4, and 6 all had real endings. Star Trek 1 was kind of just there. Shatner didn't have the cash (and never will thank god) to for ST5. Generations felt more like a TNG episodes. First Contact was watered down from the original scripts. Insurrection was an attempt at comedy like ST4 - What happen, I dunno....

To me, ST8 doesn't seem like it ends. There is no real threat of an ending like in ST2 or 6.

[Atrocities]

I thought I would chim in with a small review.

I went into Nemesis with no expectations. I had non ever since finding out about the plot nearly a year ago. After seeing Nemesis, one thought occured to me. If George Lucas could do what John Logan did here, then Star Wars AOTC, would have been a far better movie. That is to say, strong character development, and very talented acting, could easily over come a weak and dismal story plot.

Did I say weak and dismal story plot? Well yes I did. I am sorry, I loved the movie for many reason, but I found the Nemesis's plot begged more questions than it provided answers. Some of the plot was just too much of a leep of faith to often for me to truly enjoy, however, despite the movies weak plot, I found that I actually enjoyed this movie because of the acting and the action. A very well acted movie on all levels.

I did not like the dark look of the movie, and found myself often thinking that I was watching the movie with sun glasses on. I understood the plot point of this, but wished that it could have been a bit brighter.

The lack of details in the plot, the questions it posed, and the far fetched B.4 character, and the mind meld sub plot between Troi and the Vice Roy really annoyed me. I understand the need for B4, and will not spoil it, but I truly wish they would have explianed in greater detail where they found him and how he came to be there. The Tori, Vice Roy sub plot really need more material to work for me. It was an interesting idea that was under used.

One question lummed heavily on my mind while watching this movie, no it was not oh hey I know that Admiral lady, she's from Voyager, it was where in the hell was the Tal'Shiar? Come on now, one of the most feared, and still active (According to DS9) intelligance agencies in the quadrant allowing a human clone to amass an army and build a super dreadnought while in the process of plotting to over throw the Romulan leadership, without so much as an attempt to stop him? Kinda sounds like our own CIA doesn't it. The fact that they did not mention how they avoided the Tal'shair was just plain unforgiveable as a missed story detail. That is one thread of detail that simply should have been addressed.

One thing is for sure with all of the STNG movies, they have outstanding production quality far far far better than the six previous trek movies, and that alone deserves a thank you to Paramount and films producers. Nemesis looked great, sounded great, and was a kick to watch.

Over all, despite the weak plot and the many questions it raised, I like the movie enough to recommend paying full price too see it. Just be prepared to scratch your head often. The predict that Nemesis will break the 100 million mark during it's run. (I hope)

They can actually scan positronic readings from an arm over two light years away??? Well I guess Data will not be able to ever hide again. Ooops, that was a bad pun. Me bad.

The Enterprise definitely did not look like a peaceful exploration ship in this movie. to bad it didnt have the Spinal Mount from the series finally.

The ship in the series finally was a modified Galaxy class ship called the Galaxy X. The Enterprise in this movie is a Soverign Class ship. If you have not yet seen Star Trek Generations, and Star Trek First Contact, I highly recommend them.

[ December 15, 2002, 10:26: Message edited by: Atrocities ]

[Captain Kwok]

***This Post Contains Spoilers ***

Atrocities:

I disagree with the weak plot - that is not true - sure it had some nitpicks, but so does every movie including First Contact!

The complaint re: Shinzon's forces is a common one by a lot of Star Trek fans. If you listen to the dialogue carefully, you can see how it might have been accomplished:

Shinzon was mentioned as an important commander during the Dominion war and fought and won with the Reman forces during the worst conflicts of the war. So, he would be respected by the Remans for sure and valuable to the Romulans. The Schimitar, Shinzon's ship, didn't need to a secret project. I'm sure the Romulans are just as good as building starship prototypes like the Federation. It was probably given to him by the conspirators to command, as part of the plot against the Romulans. Since he had the support of most of the military including the Reman forces and the stated fact "governemnt changes" occur frequently on Romulus, it's not far fetched at all!

Wow. Not so far-fetched eh?

The B-4 acquisition is a little rushed - I suppose they could have found a better way of acquiring him - but it wasn't so bad as some people make it seem.

[Thermodyne]

Well it sounds like a good flick to me. I kind of like those dark looking space movies. Around here a ticket will be 9 bucks, but as a long time fan, I think it will be worth it. I was a kid when the original series aired, and never saw the first episode until it was well into the cheap rerun time slots. Then when ST1 came out, the state of the art had improved so much, that I was awed. Let’s face it, Star Trek never had a really good story line and the production was 1960’s TV cheesy. The first series was a collection of reworks that more often that not were pretty sorry. And while STNG had some really good episodes, they also had a lot of boring episodes. But that is the budget process at work. The Last couple of seasons, STNG did manage to develop a continuing story line. The next two series are not worth mention, one is ridiculous and the other is a trek Version of some classic literature. The new series has had some good shows and some that really suck. If they are going to do an origins series, I think we need to see the wars that we always heard about in the first series. But they seem to have skipped them. Star Trek has always tried to show the Federation as peaceful explorers, but at the same time the story line was always one about the wars that were fought in the past. And often revolved around neutral zones and such. I for one have grown tired of seeing the Enterprise have to get a whooping before it fights back. How many times have we seen them tricked by a weaker foe, and then forced to fight from a disadvantaged position. The only Enterprise that I ever saw kick butt from the get go was the one with the three nacelles, a G10 I think it was. In conclusion, Star Trek has been a good series of shows and movies. But there has been at least as much bad trek as there was good trek. Any Trek movie that is enjoyable to watch is fine by me, but I have had enough of the warm fuzzy ones. They need to keep the action and adventure level high. And forget about trying to make feel good movies.

[tesco samoa]

******SPOILER***********

I thought that the writers and producers decided that a plot like the fast and the furious was the way to go... and add alittle King Auther to the mix... to get new fans... Very cookie cutter. Less plot more action, cover up the lack of story with special effects. Sorry it was a stupid story. The whole data thing was silly... Ever heard of Lore... Oh look they downloaded his memory to the other guy... guess who does not make it to thenext movie... The enterprise was cool. But the other ship was bah.... And the script was horrible... Defensive pattern Kirk-delta... what ever. Oh well to each his own... I hope that is not the Last one... But at the same time i hope the movie is not too sucessful... As I do not want my beloved Trek to wallow down that path of Cookie Cutter Block Buster Crap.