KingMaker - let the Ascension War commence! - Page 66

DrPraetorious · #**651** July 22nd, 2008, 08:17 PM

Firstly, that fire resistance gear was sold *at cost*, or at a negligible markup.

Secondly, I am a loyal and friendly neighbor to have. I even offered LA Gath an NAP - LA Gath said he planned on invading the person I was invading, and therefore he wouldn't agree to an NAP unless I let him have a share of Agartha, because he was afraid of his other neighbors!

Neighbors of LA Gath - LA Gath is scared of you! Like a little girl! And he insists on fighting a war with mighty Niefelheim over posession of Agartha's still-twitching remains. The neighbors of Gath must be fearsome indeed.

Should anyone else risk their necks to help a double-bless nation expand? Gath has an F9S9. I'm going to say no - but if you neighbor LA Gath, you should conquer him, or at least peel some provinces off, while he's vulnerable due to an ill-advised war with me.

Xietor · #**652** July 22nd, 2008, 08:44 PM

Someone should do a poll on who will win the game. 15 capitals wins it. So one does not necessarily have to kill off a tough neighbor to win the game.

And at some point, the true contenders will have to concern themselves as much with stopping each other as conquering their neighbors. But that time is not is not yet as astral travel is still far off.

JimMorrison · #**653** July 22nd, 2008, 08:52 PM

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DrPraetorious said:
Firstly, that fire resistance gear was sold *at cost*, or at a negligible markup.

So someone without a chance to actually win, bent over to help make sure you do? Gotcha.

I'm unsure what gave you the impression Gath was afraid of anyone. The only neighbor that makes us "uncomfortable" with their overall strength, is Caelum, and I like to think they and we can coexist. <3

I'm really unsure what part of cowardice involves declining unconditional NAP with Niefelheim, in a situation that seems to predicate war. Seems if there were "fear of neighbors" involved in the decision making process, then accepting the NAP and attacking Bogarus beside the awesome might of Nief would have been the logical course of action.

To be fair, Gath is only afraid of Niefelheim, as should everyone be, if Gath faces them alone and falls, as they probably will if they fight alone, due to disparity of national advantages, and leadership experience.

Let me put this all in another perspective though - if you don't plan to actually fight Niefelheim before the eve of their final victory - then do please attack Gath and put me out of my misery, it's not good for my heart to be the only one willing to stand up and fight.

<3

Lingchih · #**654** July 22nd, 2008, 11:10 PM

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Xietor said:
Someone should do a poll on who will win the game. 15 capitals wins it. So one does not necessarily have to kill off a tough neighbor to win the game.

And at some point, the true contenders will have to concern themselves as much with stopping each other as conquering their neighbors. But that time is not is not yet as astral travel is still far off.

Lanka is about to have three capitols. I think this places them as an early contender.

DrPraetorious · #**655** July 22nd, 2008, 11:46 PM

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JimMorrison said:
So someone without a chance to actually win, bent over to help make sure you do? Gotcha.

That's inaccurate. The trades were mutually beneficial in all cases, and most of them were with the games third largest player (obviously no chance of winning! Boy must he be a sucker) - and serious players don't refuse mutually beneficial agreements in a 57 player game!

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bleah bleah bleah

I would argue, but Gath is right. As the fourth largest player, I can say with confidence: you're all doomed, I've won the game already. However, I will graciously continue playing so as not to rob all of you of your enjoyment. The graphs, which show me last in research among large nations, don't tell the entire story, which is this: I win.

Gath's real problem is that I'm larger than *he is*, and he can't beat me by himself, so he must convince everyone else that I'm the biggest threat in the cosmos. Fortunately, I find it unlikely that any water nations will volunteer for spoiler in a #4 vs #9 fight.

atul · #**656** July 23rd, 2008, 02:24 AM

What what what!?!?

All this talk about Gath's fearsome neighbours, and nobody's mentioning Bandar Log? All the free markatas we've been getting from "lucky" events demand recognition! Monkey PD will eat your remains for such an insult!

Mind Burn!

In due time!

Like, turn 100!

llamabeast · #**657** July 23rd, 2008, 04:37 AM

Unfortunately Utgard is going to have to wait a turn for its 30 pearls. The laboratory of MA Man (the arena prize giver) appears to have burnt down! And they even have luck 3.

Zeldor · #**658** July 23rd, 2008, 04:42 AM

LA MAn sold gear to Niefel? He is really extremely greedy, selling gear like that to his scariest neighbour...

I am on other continent so I can speak about that stuff, but man, you have some crazy people over there.

JimMorrison · #**659** July 23rd, 2008, 06:57 AM

Hah! So LA Man is friendly with Nief? Then we ARE all doomed.

Portray it as selfish if you like, any fool of a Took can add my income and gem income to your income and gem income, and see that the sum = "OMG not good".

You can call yourself 4th, that's fine. But how is Gath 9th? 15th in provinces, but 5th in gem income. Wouldn't that be convenient for everyone if Nief had all those gems to "beneficially trade" to gear out more Jarls, meanwhile buffered on one side by the #3 nation, and advancing on the #2 nation, whom you have claimed to be anticipating fighting, as you already have the gear to handle any units they can throw at you.

And no need to get testy. I tried to keep my scheming to private channels, but all I found were a hesitant Bogarus, and an LA Man who is already corrupted by the dark side.

Doesn't leave a poor guy many options, now does it.

And I've got nothing against Bandar Log! In fact, I am pretty sure that ethereal Markatas are the secret weakness of geared and buffed Niefel Jarls. Quite positive in fact, since according to Dr P's PMs to me, they are impervious to all else.

<3

Zeldor · #**660** July 23rd, 2008, 08:18 AM

Isnt't Helheim? Top1 in lands, pretty much top1 in gem income next turn too and stealthy+glamour score graphs so people don't notice him.

And I'd really fear Lolomo on eastern continent. He has proven to be one of the best players around and extremely deadly when it comes to Caelum usage. Even Niefel giants should be afraid