From the mouth of Aristotle

[Stormbinder]

Arryn said:

As long as the subject isn't Dom 2 ...

[Zen]

Stormbinder said:
I think I would welcome Zen much more if he would knock off his "cute" little IRC script, which kicks me from Dom2 channel every time he decides to drop in. He put it into effect shortly after Norfleet's cheating was exposed and Norfleet was forced to quit.

Actually it was there much previous to that. I simply wasn't there very often because I didn't need it.

Since Zen promptly ignored all my Messages that I've send to him asking to stop kicking me from the channel, as well as those from other players, including channel moderator, asking him to stop it, I assumed he actually enjoys doing so just because he can. [img]/threads/images/Graemlins/Cold.gif[/img]

No, I ignored all your Messages because you got placed in the special place that is /ignore where people who pester you relentlessly for no reason other than to spell badly and foam at the mouth go. The others expressed to me their desire for you to stop pestering them and I told them that you, of course, would whine at them regardless of what I did, so we came to a mutual understanding that I could care less if you are kicked while I am there. Consequences for your actions, even on the Internet, yah?

This being the case it is not surprising that I find historical WW2 subject as well as hardcore strategy games subject that was being discussed here much more intersting than the subject of Zen's return...

Considering how misinformed you are about most of it, I'm not surprised you are interested in talking about it and I have no problem with it as I said earlier, Topics always veer wildly off course and I would not expect this to be any less. Though I wish Arryn would not bait Boron so much, she should know that some people are just as opinionated as she is (Hah!)

[Arryn]

Boron said:
Well in a book which i have they write that knowledge Israel had about soviet tanks + new developments thanks to the mossad that this flew into the Design of the Merkava I tank as well .

Studying a Russian weapon (on testing grounds, or how the enemy has employed it) is not the same thing as using it operationally as a part of one's own equipment. You are using the knowledge gained from the weapon, not the weapon itself.

Boron said:
So knowing how well the Mossad works why shouldn't i believe this then when i read it in a book about tanks ?

No offense, but you seem to have trouble understanding what you read/see, in interpretation thereof, and/or in coming to conclusions. I don't think it's an issue of your being German, either, because I don't see this problem with other Germans I correspond with.

Boron said:
Furthermore as you said they used captured soviet tanks from the Arabs

As I said above, they studied them, not employed them. I think you are mistranslating the word "used" in the context being discussed.

Boron said:
With your further comments i guess you are just kidding or do you really work for the american government in a position with insight i as an european can never get ?

I was joking.

However, I did serve decades ago in the US Army (in an armored unit), and I stay current with things that are of interest to me, insofar as I can as a civilian. I am also active politically, and I voraciously read history and tech books (as well as SF/fantasy) and I'm pretty skilled at information research (which I first learned to do for science fair projects in high school, then later in college when I was majoring in physics). You'd be amazed at what you can learn on your own when you put your mind to it. The hard data on nukes I pulled from the web in a few seconds while I was replying to you. The rest was from my memory.

[Cainehill]

Boron said:
With your further comments i guess you are just kidding or do you really work for the american government in a position with insight i as an european can never get ?

Boron, it seems that anyone who doesn't take Tom Clancy and JR Tolkien as reputable sources for real world information have an insight that you'll never have.

Rather like the way you've been sharing your "insights" on game balance, when you just posted that you'd never gotten to the end game before.

I guess you've been using the 1-900-psychic friends network to know how end game balance works out, eh?

[Arryn]

Zen said:
Though I wish Arryn would not bait Boron so much

If you consider that "baiting", I cringe to think what you'd say if I actually went out of my way to deliberately bait someone. hmmm ...

Zen said:
she should know that some people are just as opinionated as she is (Hah!)

I do. Welcome back. {that's touche, if you're scoring}

[Zen]

Arryn said:
However, I did serve decades ago in the US Army (in an armored unit), and I stay current with things that are of interest to me, insofar as I can as a civilian. I am also active politically, and I voraciously read history and tech books (as well as SF/fantasy) and I'm pretty skilled at information research (which I first learned to do for science fair projects in high school, then later in college when I was majoring in physics). You'd be amazed at what you can learn on your own when you put your mind to it. The hard data on nukes I pulled from the web in a few seconds while I was replying to you. The rest was from my memory.

Most of the information you can find about operational limits and theoretical analysis of nuclear payload, distance, and detonation time along with hypothetical responses can be found all across the 'net. It's major currency for conspiritorial nuts.

[Zen]

Arryn said:
If you consider that "baiting", I cringe to think what you'd say if I actually went out of my way to deliberately bait someone. hmmm ...

Well as the past indicates, Hitler + Boron = Hate. And starting a conversation doing anything other than agreeing with his (invalid, or suppositional) opinion will provoke a reaction. From what we know of Boron this reaction will often be less than reasoned and thus, by your unescapable need of logical nature, reply to him correcting. And then, it continues and totally veers off course, because most of the time when presented with a logical arguement, most escape to changing the subject or focusing on minor or out of context aspects. YES?!

And of course, I think your hair is pretty.

[Arryn]

The only conspiracies (besides the GOP, which is one big conspiracy masquerading as a political party) that I believe in are that of the JFK assassination, and that various governments know more about UFOs than they are letting on. But I prefer not to speculate on just what the info that's being hidden is.

I don't believe in the Illuminati, or in secret Vatican cabals (a la Prince of Darkness and other such movies), or in some nether plot by game publishers to deny us ever seeing a decent successor to MOO2/FO2/XCOM2.

[Arryn]

Zen said:
Well as the past indicates, Hitler + Boron = Hate. And starting a conversation doing anything other than agreeing with his (invalid, or suppositional) opinion will provoke a reaction. From what we know of Boron this reaction will often be less than reasoned and thus, by your unescapable need of logical nature, reply to him correcting. And then, it continues and totally veers off course, because most of the time when presented with a logical arguement, most escape to changing the subject or focusing on minor or out of context aspects. YES?!

How accurate! Bravo! You even pegged my Pavlovian need to react to illogic. Jolly well done, chap!

Zen said:
And of course, I think your hair is pretty.

Flattery works. Did you take a sensitivity course during your brief hiatus? I like this "new" you much better ...

[Cainehill]

Arryn said:
I don't believe [...] in some nether plot by game publishers to deny us ever seeing a decent successor to MOO2/FO2/XCOM2.

You don't? How else can you explain it?