Real World Philospohy - Page 7

DavidG · #61 November 7th, 2003, 04:52 AM

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Originally posted by narf poit chez BOOM:
i could argue better that the knowledge that God exists is more likely to make someone obey the law.

Well you may be right but I only made the comment I did because It's always bothered me that some people seem to think a belief in God is required before one can have moral values and to know what is right and wrong. (and no I'm not it anyway accusing you of thinking or saying this but I have heard if often enough)

spoon · #62 November 7th, 2003, 05:01 AM

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Originally posted by narf poit chez BOOM:
Spoon - see above. and stop blaming God for your personal tragedy's. most of mine are my fault or another human's. the rest are accidents.

I'm not blaming God for any personal tragedy. I'm just saying He's a Jerk, which, I suppose, circularly, is His God-given right. But just because He is who He is, it doesn't follow that I have to pledge my soul to a Mass-Murdering Psychopath.

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God has given clear instructions. but if God presented Himself undeniably to you, wouldn't that force your point of view?

Well, He could sure drop some bigger hints.

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ask God.

He was strangely silent.

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Fyron, are you willing to consider the idea that someone may have a conversation with God and be sane?

Hearing God once or twice is probably ok. Anymore than that, and I urge you to get a psychiatric evaluation. Hearing voices is a likely sign of schizophrenia, and it is treatable in some (or maybe most) cases.

Jack Simth · #63 November 7th, 2003, 05:04 AM

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Originally posted by Imperator Fyron:
Keep in mind that "religion" started with primitive man as a means to explain everything he could not understand (which was pretty much everything around him). The concept of "God" did not come along until 100,000s of years later. Before some people in ancient Babylon began claiming that there was only one God (the Jews), everyone believed in either multiple gods or some other belief in which everything (people, animals, rocks, etc.) was spiritual (with the occasional "other"). Of course, there were probably some minor pockets of monotheism before Judaism came along, but that is the one that got the whole notion of one God going strong (after quite some time, mind you).

On what basis do you make this claim?

Atrocities · #64 November 7th, 2003, 05:15 AM

Why did this thread degenerate into a religion thread? This is very frustrating people. God is not happy here

DavidG · #65 November 7th, 2003, 05:19 AM

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Originally posted by Atrocities:
Why did this thread degenerate into a religion thread? This is very frustrating people. God is not happy here

Cause we havn't had enough religous threads here

[ November 07, 2003, 03:20: Message edited by: DavidG ]

TerranC · #66 November 7th, 2003, 05:21 AM

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Originally posted by Imperator Fyron:
All religions believe they are the one true religion...

So when did you have a chat with God?

Not all of them. Buddhism is one good example.

narf poit chez BOOM · #67 November 7th, 2003, 05:30 AM

brain hurts. burp.

how do i know i'm not just hearing a crazy voice? well, crazy voices don't make sense.

[ November 07, 2003, 03:33: Message edited by: narf poit chez BOOM ]

Jack Simth · #68 November 7th, 2003, 05:41 AM

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Originally posted by Atrocities:
Why did this thread degenerate into a religion thread? This is very frustrating people. God is not happy here

It often requires declared ground rules that people actually follow to keep a discussion of philosophy from turning into one of ethics, and to keep a discussion of ethics from turning into a discussion of religion. Such ground rules weren't present.

spoon · #69 November 7th, 2003, 05:43 AM

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Originally posted by Jack Simth:

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Originally posted by Atrocities:
Why did this thread degenerate into a religion thread? This is very frustrating people. God is not happy here

It often requires declared ground rules that people actually follow to keep a discussion of philosophy from turning into one of ethics, and to keep a discussion of ethics from turning into a discussion of religion. Such ground rules weren't present.

... and a lot of people derive their world-philosphy from their religion...

deccan · #70 November 7th, 2003, 12:23 PM

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Originally posted by Loser:
Real science deals only with what can be proven, and most importantly what can be proven repeatedly by different scientists. If an experiment does not get reproducible results the theory it 'proves' is not proven, and not part of Hard Science.

Since everyone is picking on Narf and that is so boring, let me play Devil's advocate and revisit a point Jack Simth, I.F. and I have tangled with before.

You state that science deals with only that which can be proven. That is not quite true. Some of the things that science relies on cannot be proven, such as for example, that the rules of logic that we employ (i.e. "classical logic") is "true", that solipsism is false or that there is no Cartesian "deceiving demon", that causality can ever be proven to be truly present as Locke questioned etc.