Attack of the Ankle-Biters - Replacment player needed.

[Fyron]

The projector projects the battering ram. It obviously starts at the projector.

[Jack Simth]

Originally posted by Imperator Fyron:
The projector projects the battering ram. It obviously starts at the projector.

Not at all - a projecter, pretty much by definition, produces something at a distant locale.

[Fyron]

No. It produces it immediately, and projects it to a distant locale. A movie projector creates the patterns of light and then projects those patterns accross the intervening space to the screen. It does not create the patterns of light at the screen. This can be seen by moving something in the way, which blocks the path of the light, and so it does not appear on the screen.

[Jack Simth]

Originally posted by Imperator Fyron:
No. It produces it immediately, and projects it to a distant locale. A movie projector creates the patterns of light and then projects those patterns accross the intervening space to the screen. It does not create the patterns of light at the screen. This can be seen by moving something in the way, which blocks the path of the light, and so it does not appear on the screen.

Ah, but a movie projector doesn't exactly produce patterns of light, it produces images; most modern projectors must be adjusted for the distance to the screen in order for the image to form properly. The image doesn't form until the pattern of light hits a screen. The ability to stop images from forming properly is a side effect of the principals modern movie projectors run on, not something inherent in the concept of a projector. A telekenetic projector would (obviously) run on different principals. As such equipment is currently fictional, and the principles it would hypothetically run on are unknown if they exist, one can't say with certainty that a different currently fictional piece of equipment (shields) would stop those hypothesised principles from performing their task. If Pax wants the TK Projectors in his fiction to skip shields, they can.

[Fyron]

The movie projector creates patterns of light. Whether those patterns of light form (meaningful) images or not is not determined by the projector itself, but by the position of the screen and the optical receivers of the veiwers.

Again, the TKP specifically states that it creates a battering ram of force and projects it to the target.

[Jack Simth]

Originally posted by Imperator Fyron:
The movie projector creates patterns of light. Whether those patterns of light form (meaningful) images or not is not determined by the projector itself, but by the position of the screen and the optical receivers of the veiwers.

Perhaps for movie projectors, sure.

Originally posted by Imperator Fyron:

Again, the TKP specifically states that it creates a battering ram of force and projects it to the target.

Actually, it says:

Projects a battering ram of telekinetic force against its target.

Not

creates a battering ram of force and projects it to the target

The two are a bit different; yours specifies where the force forms to an extent; the original does not.

However, it's interesting how all you debate against is the specifics of how I defined a movie projector, while not addressing:

The ability to stop images from forming properly is a side effect of the principals modern movie projectors run on, not something inherent in the concept of a projector

Or

A telekenetic projector would (obviously) run on different principals. As such equipment is currently fictional, and the principles it would hypothetically run on are unknown if they exist, one can't say with certainty that a different currently fictional piece of equipment (shields) would stop those hypothesised principles from performing their task.

For that matter, you have dropped other sub-threads of this discussion as well:

Originally posted by Jack Simth:

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Originally posted by Imperator Fyron:
Oleg's point about mental powers being limited in range is quite valid...

It sort of is - again, you're discussing theoretical technology based on something that is currently commonly considered imaginary. The question of "is it valid, or not?" depends on which piece of fiction one looks at. For some, it is; for others, it isn't.

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Likewise, you seem to have dropped Geo's points (reply 56) on the holes in not skipping things would cause problems (although that is related to my comments on Oleg's point), and Geo's point on where the force originates once past the inital breach of physics (reply 55 and 47). Further, you seem to have neglected commenting on something else I said "At worst, that just means he needs to change the description for his mod." (referring, of course, to the description for the TK projector. With that possibility open, your arguments based on the TK projector's description don't hold much water.)

[Fyron]

Jack, don't start this garbage again. My Posts implicitly responded to Geo's and yours. Not every sub thread needed to be responded to.

The component description says it projects a battering ram of force, which means it creates that bettering ram and then sends it off to the target. I am going to stop going around in circles and repeating myself, as it is getting tiring. If you do not want to see my point, that is your problem, not mine.

[ July 28, 2003, 21:11: Message edited by: Imperator Fyron ]

[Jack Simth]

Originally posted by Imperator Fyron:
Jack, don't start this garbage again.

And now you are resorting to insults? Interesting.

Originally posted by Imperator Fyron:
My Posts implicitly responded to Geo's and yours. Not every sub thread needed to be responded to.

The component description says it projects a battering ram of force, which means it creates that bettering ram and then sends it off to the target. I am going to stop going around in circles and repeating myself, as it is getting tiring. If you do not want to see my point, that is your problem, not mine.

No, you don't implicitly respond to them. For example, you again refer to the description of the component, while I had already said "At worst, that just means he needs to change the description for his mod." While that is just one I dig up as an example, you haven't addressed it at all. The others I listed a post or two ago haven't been addressed either. You may think you have, but you haven't.

[Fyron]

Go read Pax's thread on his small ship mod...

Originally posted by Imperator Fyron:
Pax, IMO you need to change the description of the TKP, as its description supports my interpretation and not yours. That will eliminate the possibility of any dispute, and is not hard to do.

[ July 28, 2003, 21:45: Message edited by: Imperator Fyron ]

[geoschmo]

Ok Jack, appears that Fyron is agreeing with you in this case. Since both of you are of the opinion that a simple fix is to change the description of the component.

This horse is dead, we are making glue.

Geoschmo