Patch Post #1 for the 2011/2012 campaign. I respectfully request that all well intentioned inputs not be posted here, this is for Don, Andy and others directly involved with the patch.
MBTs
The matter of the Turkish LEOPARD tanks needed updating as the refs will show, this is to include increases in service life, to allow for the M60T development and to keep and update their newer tanks to retire the M48 tanks. More importantly all LEOPARD 1 tanks bought by Turkey (As well as the LEO 2A4.) would prove invaluable as test beds for the ALTAY tank program, specifically in regards to the ASALEN VOLCAN FCS. The LEOPARD 1 series would incorperate MK I FCS w/2nd Gen TS which prompted my TI/GSR ? in
Posts #49 & #50. Note: The order of upgrades below is simply an educated guess based on the fact that it maDe sense to upgrade the older tanks first and leaving the newer tanks in the field as the upgrade progresses. All we have are the start and end dates of the upgrade from the Turkish government and other sources. The LEO 2A4 would constitute the further improvement of the VOLCON FCS to include the EAGLE EYE TS this would be the MK II system. These tanks would constitute the 1T and 2T sets. The ALTAY will incorperate the MK III system when it comes online. The ASALEN program
started in 2002 and ended in 2009, so the end dates should be close based on the number of tanks upgraded, I'm allowing for production time as these are
almost taken back to a RESET condition as extensive turret and rewiring work had to be done to include internal hull work as well for additional cooling and rewiring required by the updated systems as well. The previous follows the same logical conclusions as to the start dates when the 1T versions first became availble. *There are some "rumors" that some armor work was done as well on the LEO 1 tanks but I can not support that. All Turkish LEOPARD tanks came from German stock.
C1. TURKEY/LEOPARD-1A3T1/UNIT 035/CHANGE/DATES to SEP 1982-DEC 2020/As noted above in para./Total ordered 77 MBT + 4 ARV. All operational units NOT converted to the LEOPARD-1T.
C2. TURKEY/LEOPARD-1A1/UNIT 033/CHANGE/To LEOPARD-1A1A1/JUN 1991-JUN 2004/Use GERMAN UNIT 012/The 1A1A1 had a heavier armor package on it in particular around the turret. I can find no evidence that these tanks arrived in Turkey prior to 1990. However as with all the Turkish LEOPARD tanks they are still in service today and into the foreseeable future unless noted otherwise.
Total ordered 80 MBT, All operational units CONVERTED to the LEOPARD-1T see A1.
A1. ADD/TURKEY/LEOPARD-1A1A1-1T/JUN 2006-DEC 2020/USE Turkish UNIT 037 for TI/GSR, FC, RF, & STAB. this is to maintain continuity in the VOLKAN FCS MK I upgrade program & GERMAN UNIT 012./These were the first to be upgraded with the VOLKAN FCS MK I.
Only 171 LEOPARD I Series tanks were converted to this standard, see below as to why. Again only the LEOPARD-A1A1 and A1A4 made up the LEOPARD-1T
A1. ADD/TURKEY/LEOPARD-1A4T1/JUN 1990-JUN 2007/USE German UNIT 023./German unit 023 is the best match as the TI/GSR value matches the above unit (C1) to reflect the upgrade to the Carl Ziess EMES-12A3 FCS which Germany also put on their LEO 1A4 tanks.
Total ordered 150 MBT. All converted to the
LEOPARD-1T.
C3. TURKEY/LEOPARD-1A3T2/UNIT 037/CHANGE/To LEOPARD-1A4-1T/JUN 2007-DEC 2020/USE German UNIT 023 for ARMOR and WEAPONS./
Note: As of 9/4/2011 I've come back to fix this section again, but as I noted above in error* and correctly below* (Back in June.) the armor levels were not updated for the LEOPARD-1T upgrade program as it only dealt with the addition of the VOLKAN FCS MK1. This situation there for doesn't allow for adding just a LEOPARD-1T because the two tanks used retained their original armor levels which is why
A1 & C3 are the way they are to show the tank it was derived from and to identify it as the LEOPARD-1T by adding the -1T at the end. It was really the only practicle way I could see to show the transition from orgin to finished product.
D1. TURKEY/LEOPARD-1A2/DELETE/Turkey did not buy this version of the LEOPARD.
* I'm putting in a break here to remind everyone that these are "living" documents with information changing due to newer sources etc. becoming available. Here is an example of how this works, almost three weeks just on the above and the process to finish the LEOPARD issues below, this was brought up in a thread. So...
The LEOPARD 1 tanks did not recieve any armor upgrades during the 1T program it was simply for the VOLCAN MK I FCS . Also ref 1is supported by pic (Poster.) as regards to the dates presented above. Am splitting the refs at this point to avoid confusion between the FCS marks for Turkeys LEO tanks.
http://www.army-guide.com/eng/product152.html
Focus on Varient section A1 TO A14 and Turkey section near bottom.
http://www.tanknutdave.com/component/content/article/75
See Turkey section at bottom.
http://www.military-today.com/tanks/leopard.htm
http://www.ssm.gov.tr/home/projects/...d1A1A1A4T.aspx
From the Undersecretariat for Defence Industry, the office is responsible for procurment, R&D and the cordination of government. private and joint defence industry companies.
http://www.aselsan.com.tr/urun.asp?urun_id=79&lang=en Aselsan is government owned. VOLKAN FCS MK I.
http://www.defensenews.com/story.php...59&c=EUR&s=LAN
Pic:
Pic is posted here as a reference which I came across while researching the LEOPARD-2T. Also from the Undersecretariat for Defence Industry, responsible for procurent, R&D and the cordination of government. private and joint defence industry companies. This shows not only accurate dates (HIZMETE GIRIS TARIHI = SERVICE ARRIVAL DATE.) but also the unit designation within the Turkish military. Note the date of MAY 2010 Rev. 2. As you'll see the 2T below does not match the picture here.
A4. ADD/TURKEY/LEOPARD-2A4/JAN 2006-DEC 2008/USE GERMAN
UNIT 030/Turkey requested no mods be done by ethier KMW or MAK in Germany. All these tanks would end up being RESET to the LEOPARD-2T standard as shown next. Relaying on the fact that the M-60T and LEOPARD-1T series were finishing completion of their programs, Turkey started to feed all 298 MBT ordered into the assembly line for upgrade. This is all ALTAY program driven.
http://www.army-guide.com/eng/product1645.html Lower left contract section.
http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/...-turkey-01473/
http://www.army-technology.com/projects/leopard/
Pic ref above.
M1. TURKEY/LEOPARD-2A4T/UNIT 039/MODIFY/To LEOPARD-2T/Dates to JUN 2011-DEC 2020/Main Gun 120mm L44 to 120mm L55 with turret mounted RWS 12.7mm, or optional 7.62mm or 40mm AGL./Armor as required/All TI/GSR & FCS info as required./NEW ICON./All 298 tanks were taken off the line to be
RESET with many of the features that will be found on the ALTAY tank. The pictures speak for themselves especially the one showing the LEOPARD-2T along side a LEOPARD-2A4. We have seen how far a LEO 4 can be upgraded just look to Canada with the LEOPARD-2A4M CAN and Chile with the LEOPARD-2A4CHL among others. Again this tank will incorporate the ASELAN VOLCAN MK II FCS. It needs to be remembered they are recieving some coorperation from Israel (M60T with KNIGHT III FCS as carried on late model MERK 3 and early MERK 4 tanks also with part of the current model MERK 4 armor package.),
Germany in the LEOPARD support area and the techinical licensing with S. Korea with the K-2. They have all the tools, money and techincal support needed internally and externally to make things happen. Not "flag waving" here, as most know I've been following Turkey and a handful of other countries MBT development for quite sometime, if you will, because "that's where the action is" in new tank development.
Except for the FCS (Might be better?) info, I would recommend the armor set at a level equal to the newest current German LEOPARD-2A6 UNIT 277 or 267 if splitting the difference, unless you can get something more out of the refs and pics I've submitted. This tank could be that good and it is the build from for the ALTAY using some of the armor tech for that MBT.
http://www.aselsan.com.tr/urun.asp?urun_id=79&lang=en VOLKAN FCS MK II.
http://www.aselsan.com.tr/urun.asp?urun_id=55&lang=en EAGLEEYE FCS.
http://vimeo.com/23746043
I understand the connection limitations you had with your computer but this video plays clean but covers the LEOPARD-2T upgrade pretty well mixing real video of the tank with computer generated images.
http://www.turkishjournal.net/index....d-2-tanks.html
http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/n.p...nks-2011-05-06
http://www.defpro.com/daily/details/...106ee4ca41a52a
http://www.shephard.co.uk/news/landw...solution/9013/
Pics:
M2. CHILE//LEOPARD-2A5/UNIT 028/MODIFY/To LEOPARD-2A4CHL/Main Gun 120mm L44 to 120mm L55/Armor levels to the LEOPARD-2A6. German UNIT 037 would be a good fit, better then UNIT 035 that came off the line in 2008./These tanks were 2A4 tanks modified by KMW in Germany at Chiles request to the 2A6 level. See M1 lead in para.
http://www.army-guide.com/eng/product1645.html
Para. 6.
http://www.fprado.com/armorsite/leo2.htm
See Para. 5 & 11. Also supports M1. above.
http://www.army-technology.com/projects/leopard/
http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/...le-sold-04316/
http://www.deagel.com/Main-Battle-Ta...000451001.aspx
http://www.leopard2.com/variants/
Pic:
C4. NETHERLANDS/LEOPARD-2NLA6/UNIT 038/CHANGE/End Date MAY 2011./A victim of hard times, at the height of the Cold War the Dutch had almost 1,000 MBT's and what was left were 63 LEOPARD-2NLA6 tanks. The CV-90 will serve as the backbone of their "armor" with a heavy relience on their AH's for anti-tank support. A proud tradition has passed from their armed services of almost 90 years with recent deployments to both Iraq and Afganistan. Also they will be selling their COUGAR helos as well along with the LEOPARD tanks, how about it Canada, need more LEOPARDs?.
http://www.defensie.nl/english/lates...ds_with_a_bang
http://www.defpro.com/news/details/24905/
http://www.army-technology.com/news/news120180.html
http://www.defense-aerospace.com/art...-up-tanks.html
R1. INDIA/ARJUN/ARJUN+1/UNITS 020 & 021/REMINDER/CHANGE/HF HEAT value./I can't seem to locate the Posts involved but what I believe what you considered was something between 80-85./To the poster who caught the error, my apolizies for not remembering your "name" please feel free to remind me here when posted, it was a good catch that I missed as well.
R2. NORTH KOREA/P'okpoong-Ho/UNIT 025/REMINDER/CHANGE/Main Gun to 115mm/Up armor to T-72 (?)/See MBT thread Posts...never mind Pages 10 - 15./I believe we did settle on the gun issue
(Pg. 11 Post #108.) but based on the posts we had the discussion about why the extra 2m lenght
(Pg.14 Post #139.) and extra set of road wheels. Your thinking and I agree based on "hints" in the refs suggust besides having a larger engine (Fact.) it was was probaly up armored as well. Your thinking was something in the line of a T-72 (Pg. 15 Post #144.) though the "Po" was derived from T-62M1 tank. Thanks again to Marcello for his inputs. On to something else this is giving me "daymares" before I go to bed for the "nightmares" within the hour,
in fact I'm stopping here!?!
APC Development and...
Was going to post about the German BOXER but as the fielded date falls within just less then six monthes as agreed to a couple of years ago with Don I won't. See Pg. 11 Post #104 for further details. Also still going to hold off on the ARMA 6x6 however I found a source that says Bahrain has bought them for their Army NG Here is the ref for ARMA and they are the first to report it on these type of sites that I can find. This will be transferred to this thread later as always for all PP segments..
http://www.dmilt.com/index.php?optio...asia&Itemid=56.
This will be brief:
R1. THAILAND/BTR-3E1 IFV/REMINDER/ADD per Posts #105 (Data in normal PP Unit Format.) - #107./The additional 126 units were ordered but it always helps when the exporter (Ukraine) throws in free units to "sweeten the pot", I'd just settle for some free gas myself!?!
http://www.army-technology.com/news/news121016.html
http://www.armyrecognition.com/june_..._vehicles.html
http://articles.janes.com/articles/J...m-Ukraine.html
A1. ADD/KUWAIT/DESERT CHAMLEON/JAN 2011/C3 P7/RMTS Bushmaster 30mm Rds UKN as Primary Weapon and 12.7mm Rds UKN versions./This is a very versitile turret that is field changeable to carry a range of weapons from a 5.62mm to a 40mm cannon. The USMC is looking at the vehicle but more the turret as a possible upgrade to the LPPV-7 as the EFV is now dead. The turret is U.S. made.
http://www.armyrecognition.com/us_ar...mation_uk.html
http://www.upi.com/Business_News/Sec...0771295027994/
http://www.janes.com/products/janes/...1&rd=janes_com
http://www.defenseprocurementnews.co...nnel-carriers/
Posts #93 & #94.
D1. POLAND/BWP-2000/UNIT 442/DELETE/The BWP-2000 program was developed in the early 90's and cancelled by the end of the 90's by Poland. Only two prototypes were built. This program would eventually lead Poland to develop the ANDERS IFV which however suffered the same fate as the BWP-2000 and itself was cancelled in 2010. What killed ANDERS was the economy and the fact that Poland was already contracted therefore committed to the ROSOMAK 8x8 of which 800 were ordered. No further development is underway for the BWP-2000. The ANDERS IFV and Light Tank versions are being marketed for foriegn sales at this time.
ROSOMAK is fielded and still under delivery status until I believe 2013.
http://www.army-guide.com/eng/product1015.html
http://www.armyrecognition.com/polan...rmation_d.html
http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showthread.php?t=25654
Post #1 last unit before "NEW UNITS".
http://aus.krakow.pl/army/polish-com...ly-of-vehicles
See lead in para on ANDERS Light Tank status and note last sentence in the first full para below for BWP-2000. Note the word "demonstrator" is used to describe both pieces of equipment.
Also see THREAD "Polish Anders AFV" currently on Pg. 1 of threads Posts #5 - #12 to include the first few sentences of Post #13 with focus on the refs.
D2. USMC/EFV/UNIT 189/DELETE/Though I brought up the "UNKNOWN" issue as to what it meant, I just can't ignore the reality of the situation at this point given the refs already presented in the last past PP #2 I think, but also since and as presented below. We'll not only need the slot for the likely "improved" AAV-7A1 but also for it's eventual replacement. Here's another example for some (present company excluded) about putting in future systems some have asked about, the work involved in putting the unit "together", at some point changing the status in this case twice if deleted, and making room for the replacements. I believe this is what happened with the above D1 unit as well.
http://www.defense.gov/releases/rele...eleaseid=14179 The Commandant.
http://www.defense.gov/speeches/spee...?speechid=1540 Para 2 & 3 starting w/Secretary Gates...
http://comptroller.defense.gov/defbu...ation_Book.pdf
Pg. 10.
http://www.defense.gov/news/newsarticle.aspx?id=63557
Para 7.
http://www.marinecorpstimes.com/news...hicles-022111/
http://www.marines.mil/community/Doc...-11/index.html
First two articles are both worth a look, though second is on topic.
MRAPS
Nothing much happening here right now except for the below item. The sector has been very busy in the area of orders for existing equipment. The only other new piece of equipment to fit this catagory is Paramounts MATADOR & MAURADER
(Pg. 8 Posts #75 & 76.) however Aberbazan is not in the game and they are currently the only operators of these vehicles which some have dubbed "the best in their class". The deal with Jordan never got done. See Posts # for further information.
A1. ADD/NORWAY/DINGO 2/JAN 2011/C1 P7/ARROWS-300 FULL SYSTEM ROT w/40mmHV AGL Rds UKN & M3S 12.7mm w/300RDs./See Ref 3 which shows the turret as described and ordered by Norway./The DINGO 2 is a much improved version of the DINGO 1 that's better protected and much more mobile.
http://defense-update.com/wp/20101029_dingo_norway.html
http://www.kmweg.de/2922-YWt0X3BhZ2U...ws_detail.html
http://www.kmweg.de/2922-ZG9tPWRvbTE...ws_detail.html
http://www.army-technology.com/proje...rotecetedvehi/
http://www.armedforces-int.com/artic...on-system.html
Also Pg.6 Post #51.
A2. ADD/UK/HUSKEY/JUN 2009/P4 RECON-SPEC OP versions/RWS 12.7mm w/UKN Rds./C2 P2 for Transport, Command or Ambulance versions. Also known as the
MXT. The Recon-Spec Op versions are uparmored from the others and since all retain the bed portion of the vehicle besides extra fuel and other gear to cause the enemy some havoc, I'm sure there's plenty of room for ammo, I would think 1500 - 2000 Rds would not be unreasonable in this case. This vehicle represents the third in the triad of better protected vehicles UK MOD had sought to lower the casuality rates of the ones used prior to them which is why Ref. A is where it's at.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle6695154.ece
http://www.army-technology.com/projects/husky-tsv/
http://www.army-technology.com/proje...tsv/specs.html
http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/...178/#more-5178
http://www.defencetalk.com/work-begi...sh-army-17274/
Pics:
Well I did say this was a living document...
A3. ADD/POLAND/ZUBR/JUN 2011/C2 P10/RWS 12.7mm or optional 7.62mm and 30mm AGL w/UKN Rds./SPro 4 grenade dispensers./This vehicle is availble in four varients two of which will be addressed here. The ZUBR has protection against 12.7mm rounds and arty shell splinters. Also it has a tow capcity of 3,300lbs
(1500kgs) a feature not normally mentioned in the refs. Blast protection against up to 8kg. It is also air portable.
http://www.army-technology.com/projects/zubr-apc/
http://www.militaryfactory.com/armor...p?armor_id=451
http://www.military-today.com/apc/zubr_mrap.htm
Pic:
SPA and SPAA...
Just a couple of items here with a reminder.
M1. FINLAND/M270 MRLS/DEC 2011/UNIT 557 & 554(?)/MODIFY/Finland has only been operating the system since 2007. This upgrade provides for Precision Fire FCS, GPS Targeting, extends ordance options and ranges.
http://www.lockheedmartin.com/news/p...3_million.html
http://www.defpro.com/news/details/24639/
http://www.deagel.com/news/Finnish-A...000008771.aspx
http://www.army-technology.com/projects/mlrs/
http://www.asdnews.com/news/30848/Fi...em_Upgrade.htm
Pics:
A1. ADD/RUSSIA/TORNADO MRLS/APR 2011/C2/6 or 12 ML 300mm SMERCH Rockets/These are updated versions of the SMERCH rocket that are GPS guided. It can carry multiple munitions types and can still launch the unguided versions. The key here is the improved operability of the system from the launcher which is much more manueverable, air mobile and much easier and faster to reload. This is the replacement for the BM-21 GRAD which is taking place at this time. The Max. range is 70km and 90km with a specilized rocket.
http://www.armyrecognition.com/russi...formation.html
See Page 3 Post #30 Item #2
A2. ADD/FINLAND/NASAMS II FIN/JAN 2015/C 4/6 Multiple Launcher AIM 120 AMRAAM/USE UNIT 551 TRUCK/Modify UNIT 559 accordly./The truck used in UNIT 551 looks like the SISU 8x8 that will be the primary carrier for the system. This system will be more advanced then shown by
UNIT 559 which was probaly based on NASAMS as used by the Norweigns for the past ten years. I also believe the Norweign system is mobile as well but might not get to it this first time around and I think they also use the same truck as well. Most Refs below were pulled from the "Transport for U.S. Patriot..." thread Pgs. 3 & 4. As you can see I built on to this one, didn't expect to see it, and missed it at first.
http://www.defpro.com/news/details/23345/
http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/...Systems-05398/
http://www.defensenews.com/story.php?i=4313048
http://www.raytheon.com/newsroom/fea...aam/index.html
http://www.armyrecognition.com/april...y_0804113.html
http://www.sisudefence.fi/node/29
http://www.sisudefence.fi/product/8x8
A3. ADD/POLAND/ZUBR P/APR 2011/C2/RWS POPARD SAM w/12 PZR GROM-2 AA missiles./To be honest I'm making an educated guess on GROM loadout based on size and payload capacity of the ZUBR-P and size of the missile. Retains towing capcity.
http://www.army-technology.com/projects/zubr-apc/
http://www.militaryfactory.com/armor...p?armor_id=451
http://www.military-today.com/apc/zubr_mrap.htm
http://articles.janes.com/articles/J...om-Poland.html
Pic:
R1. THAILAND/CAESAR/REMINDER/ADD per Post #32 (DATA already in PP format.)./USE FRANCE UNIT 050 or 051./Post #7 provides additional background information.
R2. SAUDI ARABIA/CAESAR/REMINDER/ADD per Post #32 (DATA already in PP format.)./USE FRANCE UNIT 050 or 051./Post #7 provides additional background information.
Alright had a good Labor Day weekend hope you did as well!?! Cleaned it up (Again!), kicked the tires and added some options (Sorry Top Gear is on!).
Regards,
Pat
Monday, 05 September, 2011 23:47:48
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