Is this gamey? - Page 7

teal · #61 July 30th, 2003, 08:02 PM

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A game is certainly Last man standing unless explicitly discribed otherwise.

In your opinion, yes. That opinion is not shared by a very large portion of PBW players (perhaps 50/50). So, this is why things like this MUST be stated at game creation.

Actually if it is not stated in the game description then the default position is what the game itself describes. If you do not put in another victory condition then Last man standing is when the SEIV program will declare one person to have won. The fact that the majority of the PBW community (myself included by the way) would rather call a game a draw than drag it out to its inevitable conclusion and waste hours and hours of their life on the game does not change the fact that, unless stated otherwise, the rules of the game are the default rules for basic SEIV, and those are Last man standing.

[ July 30, 2003, 19:06: Message edited by: teal ]

Fyron · #62 July 30th, 2003, 08:09 PM

In your opinion, yes. When a game ends is a matter of choice. It is certainly not dependant simply on just when the game says it is over. It is a subjective issue, and so needs to be discussed and declared before the game starts.

geoschmo · #63 July 30th, 2003, 08:20 PM

Teal, you will learn that it is neccesary to consult with Fyron first on which parts of the game are to be taken literally and which parts are subjective and open to interpretation. Once you get to that point your life will be much simpleler.

[ July 30, 2003, 21:30: Message edited by: geoschmo ]

Fyron · #64 July 30th, 2003, 08:24 PM

bah

teal · #65 July 30th, 2003, 08:28 PM

Yes. What happened was I saw a post and said, "oh look a message by Fyron I bet I'll be extremely ticked off by it" and sure enough I was...

I probably would not have been ticked off if any one else had said the same thing.

I suppose I object to the use of the word "opinion". It is not actually my opinion, but the way the game is set up (i.e. it IS the default position of the game that Last man standing determines the winner. It is clearly written in the code for all to read...

And furthermore I 100% agree that victory conditions should be declared before game start. The question was what should be the default position if regretably they are not...

And yes Fyron. People can stop playing whenever they want to. That does not mean that according the rules of the game they have determined a winner (they have not), but it does mean that according to the rules of society they have determined a winner. In this situation I personally would prefer to follow the rules of society, but it is not my "opinion" that the rules of the game are different. It is fact...

[ July 30, 2003, 19:30: Message edited by: teal ]

DavidG · #66 July 30th, 2003, 09:01 PM

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However, I do wish that there was a way to end a game with a mutually agreed upon single winner say when one empire takes over 3/4 of the known galaxy and it is only a matter of time before the others fall.

I would say there is. Tell the host to declare the game over. I don't think most hosts (me included) expect the eventualy winner to hunt down every Last ship and mine.

geoschmo · #67 July 30th, 2003, 09:10 PM

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However, I do wish that there was a way to end a game with a mutually agreed upon single winner say when one empire takes over 3/4 of the known galaxy and it is only a matter of time before the others fall.

I would say there is. Tell the host to declare the game over. I don't think most hosts (me included) expect the eventualy winner to hunt down every Last ship and mine.

I cannot recall ever having a game where an obviously defeated foe would not conceed the game if asked. Very few people enjoy dragging out a game which they serve no purpose in. I have stayed in a few sometimes beyond when I had a chance, but there were still viable empires and the issue of the winner was very much in doubt. So in that case I wasn't holding up the end of the game or anything.

There are also victory conditions other then LMS. I don't particulaly like score as a determining factor between empires that are close in power, but the "Quadrant at peace" victory condition is a good one. Because if anyone still thinks they have a shot at winning and aren't in first place they can simply declare war on someone and the game continues.

Geoschmo

Fyron · #68 July 30th, 2003, 09:11 PM

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I probably would not have been ticked off if any one else had said the same thing.

That is rather offensive.

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I would say there is. Tell the host to declare the game over. I don't think most hosts (me included) expect the eventualy winner to hunt down every Last ship and mine.

Exactly. It is silly to expect the winner to have to go crush every Last ship and planet on the map.

DavidG · #69 July 30th, 2003, 09:26 PM

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Originally posted by teal:
I never really understood the idea that "if people understood that it was a Last man standing game they would be more hesitant to trade technology".

Well I think many (such as myself) might be a bit hesitant to trade or give away that really expensive tech when you know it will eventually be used against you.

Wardad · #70 July 30th, 2003, 09:53 PM

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Originally posted by Loser:
Garrison Kielor?

I shouldn't refer to cultural icons since this is a worldwide forum. My apologies. I might have spelled his name wrong. He is the host of "A Prarie Home Companion" on National Public Radio in the U.S. where "All the women are strong, all the men are good looking, and all the children are above average"

LOL!
Isn't that supposed to be "All the men are strong, all the women are good looking, and all the children are above average"