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				 Re: Best item 
 I'm moderately sure that the damage is a constant value that does not dependon the commander's strength.  For some reason, Firebrand seems way more effective
 against troops with neither resistance, which makes me believe that the fire damage
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		| Endoperez said: They use the weapon effects "small area fire", "small are frost" etc. I don't know how powerful those effects are.
 
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 From the db:
 Small Area Fire is a 14 point AP attack.  Small Area Cold is a 12 point AP attack.
 
 Interestingly, Ember's Small Area Frost and Fire is a 15 point AP attack with no cold tag, followed by Small Area Fire.
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 14 ap fire and 12 ap cold respectively. So fire brand is clearly superior of the two. AP+AP damage, with the second AP being higher than the frost equivalent and less units that are immune to it. |  
	
		
	
	
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		| Gregstrom said: From the db:
 
 Small Area Fire is a 14 point AP attack.  Small Area Cold is a 12 point AP attack.
 
 Interestingly, Ember's Small Area Frost and Fire is a 15 point AP attack with no cold tag, followed by Small Area Fire.
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				 I agree on the superiority of the brands 
 just recall that there are several small area fires - and without investigating them carefully (for other weapons or effects) it may not be the ap14 version. |  
	
		
	
	
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 The db disagrees with you there - there may be different weapons with the effect, but they appear to use the same effect each time. |  
	
		
	
	
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 They all use the same SAF effect, since there is just one of those. Don't believe me, you're free to mod units to have different weapons starting from 1 and going up to 500+ so you can see for yourself, chris. |  
	
		
	
	
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 Armor of virtue you can put it on a mage have him cloud trapeze and cast wrathful skies.  You can do it every turn and kill army after army.  In fact I would like to know a counter to it. 
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