Stealth and Scattering Armor bonus

[tbontob]

I never claimed my sig was useful.

There are other ways you can advertise your products.

It doesn't have to be in a sig where "It makes the post unnecessarily long, and waste's everyone's time (esp. low-bandwidth Users)."

So since you are not willing to help the people you are so concerned about, it is all B.S.

[ March 20, 2003, 07:25: Message edited by: tbontob ]

[Fyron]

[ March 20, 2003, 08:07: Message edited by: Imperator Fyron ]

[tbontob]

[primitive]

Welcome to the “Stealth and Scattering Armor bonus” Arena, where today we follow the ongoing championship match in “I want the Last word”.

Today’s contestants are. In the blue corner, reigning champion and ruler of the world: Imperator Fyron. In the red corner, the challenger, master of the quotes: Tbontob.

Sports fans around the forums all ask the same eternal question. Who is willing to waste most bandwidth with useless Posts, quotes and sigs.

We join the match in progress. Several pages are already wasted. Some unlucky spectators looking for info on Stealth and Scattering Armor bonus have already left the arena searching for info elsewhere.

There goes Fyron with and empty post but it is easily countered by the quoting Canadian with several smileys. Fyron have another go, but is once again thwarted.

The match seems to have gone into a lull, with only smileys being exchanged. We take a small commercial break, but will be back later with the conclusion of this exciting (yawn) match. Don’t go away.

[tbontob]

Originally posted by primitive:
Welcome to the “Stealth and Scattering Armor bonus” Arena, where today we follow the ongoing championship match in “I want the Last word”.

Today’s contestants are. In the blue corner, reigning champion and ruler of the world: Imperator Fyron. In the red corner, the challenger, master of the quotes: Tbontob.

Sports fans around the forums all ask the same eternal question. Who is willing to waste most bandwidth with useless Posts, quotes and sigs.

We join the match in progress. Several pages are already wasted. Some unlucky spectators looking for info on Stealth and Scattering Armor bonus have already left the arena searching for info elsewhere.

There goes Fyron with and empty post but it is easily countered by the quoting Canadian with several smileys. Fyron have another go, but is once again thwarted.

The match seems to have gone into a lull, with only smileys being exchanged. We take a small commercial break, but will be back later with the conclusion of this exciting (yawn) match. Don’t go away.

ROFLOL

I got tears in my eyes, I am laughing so hard and my parrot is laughing with me.

Primitive, you have done it again!

[Suicide Junkie]

For those who are looking for Stealth/Scattering armor info, this was all the way back on page 3!

New, improved, and simplified Method!

1) Take the shield points currently generated.
2) Estimate the typical hit rate that your enemy has against your ship.
3) Multiply your answers from (1) and (2), then divide by 100.
4) If the answer you get is:
less than 1200 : Do not bother with Stealth or Scattering armor.
from 1200 to 1670 : Add a Stealth armor only.
1670 or higher : Add both Stealth and Scattering armor.

1200 - comes from: 30x(9.375 -3.333)/.15
1670 - comes from (80 x (9.375 - [3.333*30 + 3*50]/80) ) /.3
= 80x (9.375 - 3.125)/.3
Which, again is: Size * (shields/kt - armor/kt)
And then divided by the ECM power to get us up to effective hitpoints.

[tbontob]

Originally posted by Suicide Junkie:
Hitpoints / chance to be hit = average firepower thrown at your ship. (Toughness)
Overkill, cripplings, and internals being ignored.

Lets see there.
As a random example:
500 shield points, and typically 40% to hit.
That gives 500/.4 = 1250
1250*.15 = 187.5, pretty close to that 165 number.

Hi SJ

I'll take this step by step and try not to do it all at once. (please correct me if I am in error).

As I interpret it so far:

1250 represents the amount of firepower (which has a 40% chance of hitting) that is necessary to destroy shields which have a total of 500 shield points.

I hear you when you say the 187.5 value is the break-even point for stealth armor/no stealth armor.

And I understand the mathematics on how you got the 187.5 value, but intuitively, I do not see how it relates to being a break-even point.

Is there a way of explaining this connection?

If there isn't, I'll just take it as provisionally true and continue.

[ March 20, 2003, 16:56: Message edited by: tbontob ]

[Ragnarok]

LOL! Primitive, that was hilarious! I'm still laughing from that.

Nice play-by-play there too.

[DirectorTsaarx]

There is one valid reason to quote the post immediately preceding your reply: there are a number of cases where multiple replies are added at once; since there may not be an indication that such an event is in progress until after the fact, there are two possible ways to handle it. The first requires crafting a post without the quote, posting the reply, and then editing the quote back in once one determines that an intervening simul-post has confused matters. The second method is to go ahead and quote the immediately preceding post, and deleting said quote afterwards (or at least editing the unnecessary portions out) if a simul-post did not occur.

Besides, I think the graphics on each page (especially the various avatars) use more bandwidth than some extra text. After all, when I'm on dialup, the text generally appears first, and quite quickly, while sometimes it takes up to a minute for all the avatars, buttons, etc. to appear.

Edit: just to prove my point, by the time I crafted & posted this reply, there were 3 (!!!) new Posts to this thread - from SJ, tbontob and Ragnarok...

[ March 20, 2003, 16:59: Message edited by: DirectorTsaarx ]

[geoschmo]

Quoting a previous post, even one that immedietly preceeds yours, is not always a bad thing. It can help in making your point more clearly understood, and as Director Tarsx points out it doesn't use all that much bandwith.

However Tbontob, I am not taking sides, but you could use a little bit of editing in what you quote. It's not nessecary to include the entire text of the Last 5 comments in the thread. This has an unfortunate effect on the formatting of the page because of the way the forum software indents nested quotes.

It's not even neccesary to include the entire text of post you are quoting. This can actually make the meaning of your post less clear. It would be better to quote only the cogent points to which you are responding directly.

EDIT: Although I know that you know this and are simply "Fyron baiting". This is a popular past-time in our little forum here, one that I have partaken in myself a time or two.

Geoschmo

[ March 20, 2003, 17:12: Message edited by: geoschmo ]