MP: Noobs & Vets: Rise of the AI Menace. EA, BI. Game Over. Team ACGHHS wins!

[rdonj]

Originally Posted by DrPraetorious

Suppose that Illum. had not staled...

Sounds like you misread that bit.

[Maerlande]

Yup. Sorry DrP. I misread.

[Septimius Severus]

Generally, if you are not involved in an active war with another player it usually doesn't hurt if you've seen the next turns actions. However, as I stated before nobody should have any reason for redoing a turn including those that staled.

Furthermore, no one except for the 3 who staled should be taking advantage of this opportunity to "rethink" or "redo" a turn.

I have the following information:

early_arcoscephale.2h 2009-12-06 19:24:23 2h file is OK!
early_niefelheim.2h 2009-12-06 19:55:44 2h file is OK!
early_pangaea.2h 2009-12-06 21:05:25 2h file is OK!

Aside from Caelum and Kailasa, who should be resubmitting their turns, the above 3 people have resubmited their turn files. I can't stop people from doing this since I am not the host, but I can replace these three turns with the originals myself to keep things as fair as possible. If you've an issue with it take it up with me.

[Septimius Severus]

I do not know what has happened with Agema.

[Frozen Lama]

maybe he's like me. after i go to bed, i usually don't see the forums again for ~15 hours or so

[Septimius Severus]

I have decided to submit Agema's turn, to keep things moving along. Though I knew there might be a risk of key violations, we were lucky and no one staled. It has been now over 60 hours, since the original turn hosted, if we were going to hear from Agema, we would have heard something by now. I am dispatching an e-mail to Gandalf to reset our hosting interval to 48 hours and fix the displayed timer ASAP for the current turn. We move forward. Again, if anyone has an issue with these actions of mine, take it up with me via PM, that is your right.

[rdonj]

Sept, did you undo everyone's newly-submitted turns or not? Because I clearly saw a player do things differently this time around and I want to be sure whether everyone who submitted a new turn was allowed to or not.

[Septimius Severus]

I undid those three turns which I could undo. I could not undo the three who had staled because I did not have their original 2h files to resubmit. I was counting on those 3 (actually only 2, since I took no actions for Lanka myself) to adhere to an ethical code, if they did not, I cannot do anything about it really aside from booting players, and I am sure we don't want that.

So to clarify, it was clear to me that Arco, Pangaea, and Neifel, who SHOULD NOT have resubmitted turn files for the rollback, did so and may have used the forknowledge of the new turn to alter their actions. To keep things as fair as possible I did the only thing I could do to try to arrest any cheating. I resubmitted the original .2h files for those 3. However, I could do nothing about the 3 who staled originally (or 2 rather since I played Lanka), because since they staled, they did not have any 2h files in the backup archive for me to resubmit.

Rollbacks are very problematic and it is especially so if people do not adhere to an ethical code. Personally, I never look at any new turns when a rollback happens. But that is just me.

[rdonj]

The player in question was not one of the staling players. I am not suggesting any sort of action against them, I would rather just move forward with the game. But a non-staling player redid their turn and benefitted from it, and I am not particularly thrilled about it since other players did not get that luxury. Thankfully the player in question does not appear to be fighting other players, or this could have gotten ugly.

Let us please endeavor to avoid rollbacks unless there is a serious, game threatening bug. They are just too dramatic otherwise and have too much potential for abuse.

[Agema]

Please accept my apologies.

I had an unexpected and absolute ***** of a weekend and wasn't able to sort my turn or, frankly, much else in any regard. This shouldn't happen again, I'm now fully back up to speed.