A thought on the Talisman / Live on Pay-Per-View: Geo vs. Fyron - Page 8

Baron Munchausen · #71 July 19th, 2003, 12:45 AM

One possible 'mod' of the Talisman is to make it really HUGE (100kt or more) and expensive and make it an 'area' effect device rather than only the ship it's on. Do the facility combat modifers work on components? For a whole fleet? In other words, a 'portable' death shrine.

That would make the 'Talisman' essentially area effect ECM/ECCM. This would let you have some advantages, but balanced with a vulnerability (if the enemy gets to that one ship and poofs it, you're advantage is gone.)

Q · #72 July 19th, 2003, 07:58 AM

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Originally posted by Baron Munchausen:
One possible 'mod' of the Talisman is to make it really HUGE (100kt or more) and expensive and make it an 'area' effect device rather than only the ship it's on. Do the facility combat modifers work on components? For a whole fleet? In other words, a 'portable' death shrine. That would make the 'Talisman' essentially area effect ECM/ECCM. This would let you have some advantages, but balanced with a vulnerability (if the enemy gets to that one ship and poofs it, you're advantage is gone.)

I made the suggestion to increase size and/or cost of the talisman several times but some people apparently want a change of the standard SE IV game for reasons I never really understood (which is certainly my problem). I would prefer to leave the talisman as it is.
Facility abilities as the death shrine abilities will not work on components (with few exceptions). If this could be changed it would open up huge new modding possibilities.

Taera · #73 July 19th, 2003, 08:30 AM

*lightbulb* why cant the talisman be the same as the Neural Net Computer, but cheaper, smaller and racial??

Fyron · #74 July 19th, 2003, 09:58 AM

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Facility abilities as the death shrine abilities will not work on components (with few exceptions).

Yes they do.

Q · #75 July 19th, 2003, 02:30 PM

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Originally posted by Imperator Fyron:

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Facility abilities as the death shrine abilities will not work on components (with few exceptions).

Yes they do.

I can't believe that I did not see this. You are right the death shrine ability seems to work on components. Not my day today. However on the bright side this opens up some very interesting possibilities for new components. Thank you for correcting me Fyron.

[ July 19, 2003, 13:31: Message edited by: Q ]

geoschmo · #76 July 19th, 2003, 04:01 PM

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Originally posted by Q:

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Originally posted by Imperator Fyron:

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Facility abilities as the death shrine abilities will not work on components (with few exceptions).

Yes they do.
I can't believe that I did not see this. You are right the death shrine ability seems to work on components. Not my day today. However on the bright side this opens up some very interesting possibilities for new components. Thank you for correcting me Fyron.

Actually you are both sort of right.

The Death Shrine ability apparently works, but it is one of the few exceptions. It would be very nice if every facility ability would work on a componernt and vice versa.

Geoschmo

Taera · #77 July 19th, 2003, 11:08 PM

noone notice my idea?

oleg · #78 July 20th, 2003, 03:22 AM

But neural combat net (or whatever is the name ) is not a very useful tech. - if you get experience from training facilities, most likely all you ships in the fleet will have same level. If it is from battle, that is very rare in SEIV, you need a very tough ships that survives several battles and killed a lot of enemy ships on the way. That may work in some other game, but SEIV is not about an invincible Enterprise or Avenger, but about big fleets with no regards to any individual ship survivor.

Taera · #79 July 20th, 2003, 04:26 AM

it could come with the very first tech, be only 10kT large and cost 1/2 as much. Then their fleets would have 45% experience when you'd have 20%. Combat experience is slow, but when you gain experience for EVERY SHOT DONE in combat, well, it moves fast. You just need some good weapons and good sensors. Thinking about it, you'd just need 125% agg, berz and sensors 1 to be very powerful early on.

Gozra · #80 July 20th, 2003, 04:08 PM

I am in a game right now where a player claims to have 200+ experience points. Two other players in the game have the talisman. I chose the middle route and I am the largest player in the game. So far in the titanic struggle everyone is holding their own. Ad for fryon's example of 30 to 200 well I have found your tactics can have a lot to do with how battles turn out also formations who fires first etc. I have found in this game that it is uppredictable and balanced. And SEIV is set up so that you can balance it in a multiplayer game very easily. I will also point out that a great deal of winning a game is dependent on starting position and surrounding systems. Give me a good start position and you a bad one and you can have the talisman.