OT: Election 2004

[Combat Wombat]

Originally posted by EvilGenius4ABetterTomorro:
Whatever lessons are gonna be learned will be learned the hard way while lining the pockets of Busch's friends and Halliburton Inc.

I'm sorry but I have this pet peeve about when people state things as fact when they have no actual evidence to back up their claims. There is no proof that anything has happened with Halliburton besides the fact that they over charged the US and got caught nothing showing the President had anything to do with it, if there was Kerry and the Democratic Party would be all over it. Lets stay away from conspiracy theory.
And why because Bush and Cheny were CEOs of a large company automaticlly make them evil or automaticlly prove that there is anything like what you said is going on.

My hands are starting to make loud cracks when I move them so I am going to try to cut down on large Posts.

[EvilGenius4ABetterTomorro]

And their never will be any evidence of collusion with Halliburton. As long as those with the gold make the rules and refuse to testify or release documents. I'm sick and pissed at the status quo and am I paranoid? Yes, and most my fears are coming true. I use to vote Republican but since the Fat Cats and Bible Thumpers have taken over the party my politics have gone just a little left. If only I could genetically combine McCain with Dean everything would be peachy.

[Combat Wombat]

If this is as deep and awful as you say it is, how did the information about them over charging get out in the first place?

[tesco samoa]

actually i think the fat cats are leaving the republican party for a while. Now its time for the other side for a few years.... The current party did what it thought was in the best interests of the country. This at this moment these decisions has been prooven to be a failure. I think that they should pay for their mistakes by being voted out.

If your a true republican. You should work to get your party back. And make sure that the 2012 Version is not another repeat of the 80's one and the current one.

If your a democrate. Look at the politicians. and look at who supports them via money and how they vote. And work to get rid of the right wing democrates.

America needs to get away from being a right wing country and it needs to seperate church from state. To me this is the reason why the west has advanced so much over the Last few hundred years.

[Combat Wombat]

How do you feel the government is not seperated from the church?

[Atrocities]

I really have enjoyed reading all of the Posts in this thread. You guys are very insightful.

Just as a precaution though, would everyone please keep an open mind regarding this dicussion and please keep your Posts civil and profession.

Thanks

[ March 25, 2004, 23:14: Message edited by: Atrocities ]

[EvilGenius4ABetterTomorro]

I think it started under Reagan (who I voted for). Secretary of the Interior James Watt actually thought Jesus was coming soon so there fore eviromental protection wasn't really needed.

I have also heard that there are those in both the Israeli Government and the U.S. Government who think that Israel needs to carry out it's part in the end times and destroy the Mosque at The Dome of The Rock and rebuild The Temple of Solomon there. The Red Heffer is already alive and on a farm ready for it's part. Yeah, sorry no proof there though about WHO in wich government it is but you just have to trust that there are people thinking it. Hurry jesus hurry!

I work with one of those jittery end times, Art Bell listening, food hoarding, gun shinning types. He make us nervous with his talk of Chemtrails, Alien Strap on canisters (don't ask) and
Aztec Calendar stuff. There has just gotta be somemore of those types in government.

Alien Strap on Canisters = New Phong sex weapon?

[dogscoff]

We went to liberate it from an terrible dictator.

Did 'we'? I was told it was to capture Osama Bin Laden... for a while. Then when it became clear no one was believing that lie I was told it was to get rid of the WMDs... for a while.Then when it became clear no one was believing that lie either I was finally told it was to get rid of Saddam.

This was a selfish, brutish and destructive war that has had many, many bad consequences because of the way it was fought. Getting rid of Saddam was just a happy side effect. A war to depose Saddam as its primary objective would have been waged differently, and would have had different results for the Iraqi ppl, and would have had my support.

You cannot say the world is not a better place because of what has been done in Iraq.

I just did :-)

There is no proof that anything has happened with Halliburton

Well its links with the current US govenrment is matter of record, in terms of ex-employees, campaign contirbutions etc. On the other side, you have the fact that the contracts to rebuild Iraq were given to Halliburton (and a number of other, similarly aligned companies) after a closed bidding process.

I heard on the news today that unemplyment in Iraq is so bad that kidnapping is now one of the biggest industries. Why not give some of those rebuilding contracts to Iraqi firms? The did an impressive job of rebuilding after the first war, and that was with international sanctions in place.

[Combat Wombat]

Firstly I will defend the listeners of Art Bells show. Most listeners aren't crazy alien seeing nut jobs.

I agree with the fact that there have been a few people like James Watt and I think that opinion was misplaced and crazy, but that doesn't violate the seperation of church and state, a goverment offical can base his decisions on what he feels is morally right or wrong, now how long that offical stays in his current posistion after a comment like that is another story, but this in no way constitutes the goverment endorsing a specfic religion.

This is my opinon on what Watt said: if Jesus was coming I would want to clean the place up. You clean up your house when a guest comes over why wouldnt you do the same for Jesus?

[EvilGenius4ABetterTomorro]

Or if your in a hurry you could use the Ark of the Covenant. All that super suck Nazi face melting power will do wonders for my place, just don't look!