Mod: Mytheology Pretenders 3

[Soyweiser]

I made an update to the Mytheology 3.07r mod. I have been bold and renamed my version 3.08. A lot of pretenders now work again. And I tried to make some balance changes. (Nerfs mostly). There is still a lot wrong, and I could have done more. These are the changes so far:

- Moved some code around. Performed some cleanup.
- Renamed shuggoth to shoggoth. Which is the proper name for the Lovecraftian protoplasmic amoeba creatures.
- Improved the protection offered by the different circlets. They didn't really stack with normal armor.
Also decreased the construction costs and the path costs.
Pewter -> 8, Brass -> 13 Mithril -> 18
- Made the Psychic leech a misc item instead of a pair of boots.
- Removed redundant #clearmagic tag from the "Spider king"
- Changed Jack of Shadows darkpower to 5 (Still high, but not OMG EVERYTHING DIES high).
- Ubbo-Sathla can now spawn2 his own spawn.
- removed changes to Machaka, CBM already did this.
- swapped the monsterns on the chaos mage and the black dragon. Added pathcosts etc.
	If you want a multiform pretender to show up, his monsternr must be lower than his secondform.
- swapped the monsterns on the toaoist mage and the gold dragon.
- added bloodvengeance 1 to the menhir of courage. (Per notes, removed the whole Dakini part) Increased the prot to 22. Removed the weapon.
	it is kinda useless now.
- Changed the The Orb of Azathoth. It is now a new item. Igor's tome is back.
- Removed Revelation. As Holy spells are broken. (Moved them to .\mytheology\holyspells.txt)
- Changed desciption of the Diabolic Brigade. Now it is hopefully clear that you get imps.
- Nerfed the toad demon. Removed poison spikes, recuperation and reinvigoration. But I made it a normal amphibian. Which was the purpose of the monster. A beast that could enter the seas. Increased the cost to 88 blood slaves. Increased encumberance 4, supplybonus -30. As it allows the blooduser to branch out into earth. Decreased the cost as a pretender from 80 to 40. As the demon is now a bit weaker, and not a super good pretender SC.
- Changed the sprite of Ubbo-Sathla to the small version.
- Changed the sprite of Cthulhu to the small version.
- Removed Ubbo-Sathla second form (it was a bit overpowered :)). Added encumberance 4, reduced prot to 8.
- Removed the secondshape from the Ubbo spawn. Removed the acid spray from the spawn.
- Also made some unfriendly changes to Ubbo (and his spawn). #popkill 10 (1). #incunrest 10 (1). #leper 10 (1), #supplybonus -20 (-2) But added a pillage bonus 25 (5).
- Leper and popkill don't work on normal units
- Did you ever notice that the Pantokrator costs 358 points instaid of 350? This is because he/she/it had a random path. Removed now.
- The Ecclesiarch now has H3 and normal pretender domspread. (Not domspread 8 (which is as atrong as 8 prophets)). Mapmove 1 (used to be 2). (The popemobile is slow) Fear, Awe and Immortal. He is still to strong. 20 eyes is to much. I would rather see him autosummon minions in combat. Fixed his name.
- Fixed the monkey king EA weapon. Gave him Air 2 instead of air 1, air 1. He can now makemonster "another monkey king". Still doesn't summon them in combat.
- Made a list of all the different monster, armor, weapon numbers etc used. numbers.txt
- Removed immortal from the Grim Reaper. Removed gave him fear +1 (+3), removed awe 0. (D3 gives him additional fear) Way to strong otherwise. Size 6 (2)
- Menhir of Faith #spreaddom 1 (used to be 2). It now spread dom like prophet, instead of two prophets.

I also added some files to \mytheology:
changelog.txt (the above)
holyspells.txt (the removed not working spells)
numbers.txt (the used monster, weapon, etc numbers).

There is still a lot to test. And also a lot of different things to fix. But if anybody has some remarks. Post them here.

[Globu]

The style of a lot of the mod is not really to my taste for the most part, but I might take a look at it again with your update -- thanks, Soyweiser.


And just a note on the holy spells part -- I know we've discussed it elsewhere, but for the sake of reference I thought I'd note here as well that the Revelation spell does and has worked fine for me, playing on the newest version on Dom3, for a long time. For me, it's just [m]onthly casting the spell that breaks it.

Though I should note, in case it matters, that I did copy the code for the Revelation spell out of the Mytheology mod and stuck it in my house .dm file, since I don't play with the mod. It probably doesn't make a difference, but just in case.

[Soyweiser]

Originally Posted by Globu

The style of a lot of the mod is not really to my taste for the most part, but I might take a look at it again with your update -- thanks, Soyweiser.

I think a lot of the pretenders are horribly overpowered. And a few other stuff to. (And a lot just doesn't work as advertised yet.

Originally Posted by Globu

And just a note on the holy spells part -- I know we've discussed it elsewhere, but for the sake of reference I thought I'd note here as well that the Revelation spell does and has worked fine for me, playing on the newest version on Dom3, for a long time. For me, it's just [m]onthly casting the spell that breaks it.

I thought I wasn't the only one with a broken Revelation. And I'd rather not have spells that work for only a subset of the people. So I moved them to the holyspells.txt file.

Originally Posted by Globu

Though I should note, in case it matters, that I did copy the code for the Revelation spell out of the Mytheology mod and stuck it in my house .dm file, since I don't play with the mod. It probably doesn't make a difference, but just in case.

Yeah, still have to test that. If that works. It is a problem with Mytheology itself.

[Gregstrom]

Originally Posted by Soyweiser

I think a lot of the pretenders are horribly overpowered. And a few other stuff to. (And a lot just doesn't work as advertised yet.

Funnily enough, I think they aren't *that* OP. They make pretty good SCs in a lot of cases, which can be an issue. However, their prices balance that out in many cases. If you're using CBM at the same time, most of them don't stand out that far above the rest (exceptions apply, ofc.).

[Jack_Trowell]

Revelation as writen doesn't works for me with the last patch, but I used it as a template to create my own revelation spells, one for each magic type. (and thanks for the base effect by the way )

Revelation: cloud reading (A1H2, Thaum 2, cost 2 air gems)
Revelation: lore of the ancestrors (D1H2, Conj 3, cost 2 death gems)
Revelation: holy brazier (F1H2, Thaum 2, cost 2 fire gems)
Revelation: secrets of Gaia (N1H2, Thaum 2, cost 2 nature gems)
Revelation: reading the entrails (B1H2, Blood 2, cost 3 blood slaves)
and so on ...

Depending on which nation I play (like Gandalf, I usually play solo, playing more against the map that the AI), I copy/past the appropriate spell(s) in a mod, sometimes with a small change (like maybe reducing the holy level to 1 for some nations)

As long as holy is not the main type and it cost normal gems the spell works fine, I can even use monthly casting.

Of course the main problem is that some nations do not have any mage-priests, and the only way to then cast those spells is empowering a priest or making a prophet from a mage.

[Soyweiser]

Originally Posted by Jack_Trowell

Thanks for the base effect by the way

That is the work of: Psientist.

Just press thanks on the first page of this thread .

[Ragnarok-X]

Without downloading it, can someone please tell me which weapon and armor # are used by this mod ?

[Soyweiser]

Originally Posted by Ragnarok-X

Without downloading it, can someone please tell me which weapon and armor # are used by this mod ?

Number usage:
Armor
304 Red Feather Cap
305 Golden Chain Mail
306 Skin of Brass
307 Skin of Mithril
308 Skin of Pewter
309 Papal Mitre

Weapon
791 Scimitar
792 Edge of Darkness
794 Acidspray
795 " "
796 Tiny Bite
797 Word of Might
798 Claws
799 Bite
800 Disintegration Breath
801 Crushbite
802 Soul Scythe
803 Gold Band Staff
804 Thunderclap
805 Lightning Snake
806 Harpoon Tentacle
807 Krakensbeak
808 Siege Stone
809 Black Vortex
810 Venom of Ophiox

Monsters: (ALL)
2915 Desire
2916 Desire
2921 The Astral Eye
2922 Teratos Rex
2923 Kong
2924 Kong
2925 Kong
2926 Jack of Shadows
2928 Protoplasmic Spawn
2929 Ubbo-Sathla
2931 Assassin Spider
2932 Assassin Mother
2933 Empress of Assassins
2934 Wraith King (Mounted)
2935 Wraith King (Dismounted)
2936 Cthulhu
2937 Cthulhu
2938 Cthulhu
2939 Elder Sign
2940 The Ethereal Eye --Secondshape of the Astral Eye.
2941 Siege Catapult
2942 The Infernal Eye
2943 Siege Trebuchet
2945 "The Earthen Eye
2946 The Aether Eye -- Earth eye secondshape
2947 The Celestial Eye
2949 Father of Medicine
2950 Menhir of Death
2951 Menhir of Fortune
2952 Menhir of Growth
2953 Menhir of Courage
2954 Menhir of Peace
2955 Menhir of Faith
2957 Gold Dragon
2958 Gold Dragon
2959 Gold Dragon
2960 Taoist Master
2961 Carrion Lord
2962 Scarab
2963 Prodigal King
2964 Morpheus
2965 Black Dragon
2966 Toad Demon
2967 Pantokrator
2968 Shadowcat
2969 Cytherean Priestess
2970 Chaos Mage
2971 Thunderbird
2972 Thunderbird
2973 Thunderbird
2974 Carrion Mage
2975 Great Egg
2976 Great Egg
2977 Great Egg
2978 Small Fish
2979 Portuguese Man O' War
2980 Crab
2981 Fallen Archangel
2982 Tarrasque
2983 Shah of Djinn and Ifreet
2984 Yggdrasil
2985 Another Monkey King
2986 Monkey King
2987 Monkey King
2988 Monkey King
2989 Grim Reaper
2990 Grim Reaper
2991 Grim Reaper
2992 Grim Reaper - Speacial manifestation for summoning, not pretender
2993 Aku
2994 Aku -- dragon shape
2995 Aku -- octo shape
2996 The Ecclesiarch
2997 God-King
2998 Sunwell
2999 Spider King

Modified Monsters:
438 Kraken
639 Kraken King

[Gregstrom]

Originally Posted by Ragnarok-X

Without downloading it, can someone please tell me which weapon and armor # are used by this mod ?

The Mod Compatibility Index (link in my sig) has the answers you are looking for.

Edit: Of course, you could also read the post above mine. Heh.

[Soyweiser]

Originally Posted by Gregstrom

The Mod Compatibility Index (link in my sig) has the answers you are looking for.

Edit: Of course, you could also read the post above mine. Heh.

Currently It clashes with the endgame diversity mod. Since that mod is a lot used, and pretty nice. I'm planning to move the nrs in this mod around. But first! There are some issues still to be fixed.

The carrion lord is still broken for example. And some of the pathcosts are wrong (golden dragon has different ones in different ages). Aku waterform is not working. And the list goes on.