KingMaker - let the Ascension War commence! - Page 87

JimMorrison · #**861** August 14th, 2008, 09:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xietor

LA Agartha is the race to beat...Niefel, and Bandar Log.

Why must I be surrounded by these three? :P

Every time I decide to kill a neighbor, someone much larger says "oh hi, this is ours", and the whole plan goes to poo.

Gath dammit!

Xietor · #**862** August 14th, 2008, 10:20 PM

As the game progresses, there will be nothing left but powerful nations by which to be surrounded. You likely USED to have less powerful neighbors, but they have been gobbled up.

JimMorrison · #**863** August 14th, 2008, 10:37 PM

Oh I edited the quote wrong, those aren't exactly the 3 who border me, but same result. :P

But I inherited Gath with a reallllly slow start (several early stales), and was barely getting things rolling and Bandar Log ate Ulm. I reorganized, went for Agartha, and Dr P bit my head off.

Now, I'm just little old me, looking for that fabled "opportune moment".

Grumble grumble.

Lingchih · #**864** August 14th, 2008, 10:44 PM

Whatever happended to Lanka? I need to know so I can send the ghosts of LA Pythium to go haunt him.

atul · #**865** August 15th, 2008, 02:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lingchih

Whatever happended to Lanka? I need to know so I can send the ghosts of LA Pythium to go haunt him.

From the graphs it would seem that Lanka has fallen into mediocrity at least when province count is considered. Yet their army count is steadily increasing, which would bode doom to some unfortunate neighbour soon. *dum dum doom*

Anyway, given MA Ulm's lack of research the current best proposition appears to be LA Arcoscephale's Dispel. Bandar Log soon has the research for Const7, but since we've been just nominated one of the top contenders in a continent filled with top contenders, I don't believe I have enough diplomatic maneuvering room anymore.

Darkwind · #**866** August 15th, 2008, 10:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by atul

From the graphs it would seem that Lanka has fallen into mediocrity at least when province count is considered. Yet their army count is steadily increasing, which would bode doom to some unfortunate neighbour soon. *dum dum doom*

Anyway, given MA Ulm's lack of research the current best proposition appears to be LA Arcoscephale's Dispel. Bandar Log soon has the research for Const7, but since we've been just nominated one of the top contenders in a continent filled with top contenders, I don't believe I have enough diplomatic maneuvering room anymore.

MA Ulm, having finally researched Iron Blizzard and Magma Eruption in all of their mid-tier glory, is proud to announce an initiative to take over the Forge. As we have already been blessed with an E3 Smith (currently on Fruit Loop-hunting duty), all we need is a single non-Earth Boot item and at most 8 months of research (being halfway through Constr 5 and having 280 research per turn with more than a page and a half of smiths, sigh) and Ulm will be well on its way to having the Forge of the Ancients.

No offense meant, LA Agartha. I just really want that extra forging cost and path bonus. Due to, you know, having only the Forges of Ulm and an army of Black knights backed by Iron Eruptions and Magma Blizzards between me and painful death.

Xietor · #**867** August 16th, 2008, 10:26 PM

Turn 43 Score graphs.

The rich get richer.

2 nations(niefelheim and helheim) over 50 provinces, with la marignon close at 49. Other powers over the 40 mark, ma marignon, la caelum, bandar log.

The leader remains LA Agartha.

http://www.llamaserver.net/showScore...game=KingMaker

Dead nations by era

Early 12
Middle 10
Late 7

Kristoffer O · #**868** August 17th, 2008, 04:47 AM

Hi!

Seems LA nations fare better in these big games.

Thoughts on the game? Or is it too early to say anything?
Effects from no free spawn nations, wrap around map and other stuff.

Meglobob · #**869** August 17th, 2008, 05:00 AM

Ha Ha, I said a long time ago that La nations have a slight advantage overall than nations of other eras in a megagame.

Whats happening is fairly simple, in the early part of the game La nation units tend to have a advantge in protection values mainly. This avantage is small vs Ma but larger vs Ea. So in the early game more Ea nations are going to be eliminated or end up with small kingdoms.

The Ea exceptions to this rule are of course heavy, powerful bless nations such as Ea Lanka, Mictlan, Helheim and Niefelheim. Ea Kailasa also took a powerful bless. Tir Na Nog and Fomoria perhaps have a strong bless? Anyway those are 2 of the more powerful Ea nations anyway.

This creates a problem for future megagames because once a advantage, even a slight one becomes well known, people will exploit it even more. An example is Ma Ulm used to always get targeted early on in MP games because it was viewed as weak and a easy kill. With La nations having a slight advantage, they will tend to target Ea nations in future megagames, avoiding of course the Ea heavy hitters.

DrPraetorious · #**870** August 17th, 2008, 10:12 AM

There's a wide range of play skill and luck involved here, I'm not sure if these differences are really significant. It's true that an EA nation with no stellar early defenses (EA Ermor, for example) is a more attractive target than a LA nation with 2 fewer gems per month.

LA nations also tend to have larger admin bonuses in their capitals, making them stronger even with an equivalent military.

But EA Ermor has good protection (about the same as MA if you only field the high prot legionaire anyway) and still always dies.

Now, everyone thinks the forge was dispelled? Maybe, but that's a pedestrian answer. I think it was cast by an K'tonian necromancer who got smacked down by one of 5,000 seeking arrows helheim just lobbed.